I have to run an errand--be back in an hour or so

"I've been giving 22m in zone/motion and was told more than 20 was overkill."

Mike, it is not overkill.

Here's my thinking on Franklin:

Motion offense requires good passing. That is not what I think of when I think of Franklin. If there was a "Shoot when it's thrown to you" option, I'd feel better about him. I just feel like he's a turnover waiting to happen.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 3:05:00 PM (view original):
Here's my thinking on Franklin:

Motion offense requires good passing. That is not what I think of when I think of Franklin. If there was a "Shoot when it's thrown to you" option, I'd feel better about him. I just feel like he's a turnover waiting to happen.

Again--not trying to be a dick--but your whole team is a turnover waiting to happen. He may be a weak passer, but he is still your best guard. I would take the turnovers with the points--cost of doing business if you will.

Take it or leave it, as I said before when I looked at your team after your initial post I just thought, "Damn! This is a hot mess" and despite my better judgement I decided to offer you some unsolicited advice (the best kind! haha) to try to get your ship in order. I may have my issues with 3.0 recruiting and other stuff, but I have been game planning in HD since 2007 and hope that my experience might help you better your current situation.

Its funny, since posting my completely unsolicited critique of your squad I have gotten a ton of site mails from other coaches asking me to do their team. I should start charging maybe? I will have to ask CoachWard how he handles the money side of things......

What would be most interesting to me would be for some of the reals pros at this game (gillespie, chapel, oldresorter, grecianfox, showtime, etc...) to tell me how wrong I am and critique my critique. Only way to learn. FWIW, much of what I learned about HD was through trying to emulate the great teams that Gillespie had at Kansas, Oldresorter had at UConn, and Jbasnight had at Syracuse. Those guys had DYNASTIES. I think I learned to recruit like them pretty well (especially being in the same conference division as Jbas and OR for 20+ seasons) but I expect my distribution has a little more extreme variation than theirs. Anywho....just trying to help. Sunshine and rainbows and all.....

Well, if you dug deep, you'll notice I only recruited 4 of those guys and you're starting two of them. Several people like Zeier in my "Recruiting from a n00b" thread so I'm guessing I really only screwed the pooch with Viscovsky. And he's shooting 50% and leading my team in scoring.

Not being a dick, I appreciated the advice, but other veteran owners have said "Franklin is garbage" and "Franklin is a decent back-up". So, when I pair that with "Franklin is your best guard without question", you'll have to excuse me if I'm confused.

I've not disputed one thing you said. I simply asked for clarification.

Now, being a dick, if you want to offer unsolicited advice, don't take it personally if the other party doesn't say "OMG!!!! Everything I thought was wrong!!!" and bow at your feet. I've offered a lot of advice, solicited and unsolicited, in HBD. I've always said "There are no absolutes and a 2nd opinion never hurt anyone." That has to apply to HD.

Franklin is a 2 guard off the bench. Nothing more. He might be on par with the others but I wouldn't start him. I'd hope for him to come off the bench and be a shooter. Zeier is a decent pg, likely your 'best' guard if we're judging.

See? zhawks has 7 NC. He knows what he's doing too. FWIW, Franklin got a plenty of PT last season. Didn't do much with it.

GP	GS	MIN	FG%	FG3%	FT%	OREB	REB	AST	TO	STL	BLK	PF	PTS
5	0	10.4	.455	.000	.500	0.4	1.2	0.4	0.4	0.4	0.0	0.8	2.2
28	21	23.8	.403	.244	.722	0.9	2.1	0.8	2.0	1.0	0.1	2.0	5.5

I'm going to give him more minutes/shots to see how he does.

Posted by zhawks on 12/27/2016 6:03:00 PM (view original):
Franklin is a 2 guard off the bench. Nothing more. He might be on par with the others but I wouldn't start him. I'd hope for him to come off the bench and be a shooter. Zeier is a decent pg, likely your 'best' guard if we're judging.

Zeier over Franklin? I would rather take Franklin's Ath/Per combination any day of the week, not to mention he has a B- IQ in motion vs Zeiers D+. Franklin may be a 2 guard off the bench in general, but on this team he is one of the very few scoring threats.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 11:32:00 AM (view original):
I run a 2-3 or 3-2 based on the other team's shooters. I know Snyder is weak at C.

I've been told Franklin is crap and you're suggesting a start. That's confusing.

I've been giving 22m in zone/motion and was told more than 20 was overkill.

I ran uptempo last game for ***** and giggles.

I can be a dick, sometimes on purpose, sometimes unintentionally, but I don't think I went out of my way to be a dick to you.

All that said, I appreciate any advice. I have plenty to learn. Thanks.

Somehow I missed this post before. Regarding the 2-3 vs the 3-2, I wouldn't make changes based on the other team, I would only make changes based on my personnel. In the 2-3, the PG and SG are averaged together, the SF and PF are averaged together, and the center stand alone. In the 3-2, the PG, SG, and SF are averaged, and the PF-C are averaged. If you have a C with crap ath and def, that is going to be exposed and exploited by running a 2-3. I know it is counter intuitive because the 2-3 is supposed to stack more guys inside and the 3-2 is supposed to have more guys monitoring the perimeter but none of that matters in HD. All that matters is how the players are averaged together, so if you have a center with no ATH or DEF and low IQ, the last thing you want is for him to be standing alone as your last bastion in front of the hoop. The whole benefit of zone is being able to offset his crappy stats with a decent PF.

Yeah, after reading your initial post, I realized I'm doing it assbackwards. I was aware of the averaging. Someone did tell me that high BLK would make up somewhat for the weak D from Snyder.

It's probably not very difficult to figure out what I've been doing but here are the sets I've used:
3-2, Zeier, Viscovsky, Pritts, Davin, Snyder
2-3 Zeier, Pritts, Harris, Davin, Snyder

Those six have been getting 24-28 minutes. I've been trying to see if one is better than the other.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/27/2016 6:41:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, after reading your initial post, I realized I'm doing it assbackwards. I was aware of the averaging. Someone did tell me that high BLK would make up somewhat for the weak D from Snyder.

The BLK doesn't hurt anything, but it doesn't make up for week D. It will boost your PF stats when averaged together.

I was sort of looking at a block as a D stop. I never really paid attention as to whether the D or O got the ball. Snyder averaged 1.3 per game in the 2-3 I ran almost all last season.

And, with that, I'm trying Zeier, Viscovsky, Pritts, Harris, Davin in the line-up at 3-2. I think it makes my D better without hurting my O. But Snyder will still get 25 I'm sure.

I think you are under utilizing franklin and duncan. I am assuming you are going to run Harris at the 4 which I would not do. He is a natural 3 and the best 3 on your team.