I lost a recruit with my U. Conn A+ team to a D2 team in the second cycle of the second period. I had an EE so had a new opening. I went all in with all of my AP in the first cycle and unlocked him. He was telling me I should offer a scholarship, that he was ready for a home visit and campus visit. Yet he went ahead and signed with a D2 team. No kid is going to do that, if they know a top tier Big 6 team is extremely interested in them. He'd at least wait a cycle and see if I offered a scholarship and the visits, since he just emailed me saying he was interested. But he could not pass up playing at St. Michaels

Posted by chapelhillne on 12/31/2016 10:14:00 AM (view original):
I lost a recruit with my U. Conn A+ team to a D2 team in the second cycle of the second period. I had an EE so had a new opening. I went all in with all of my AP in the first cycle and unlocked him. He was telling me I should offer a scholarship, that he was ready for a home visit and campus visit. Yet he went ahead and signed with a D2 team. No kid is going to do that, if they know a top tier Big 6 team is extremely interested in them. He'd at least wait a cycle and see if I offered a scholarship and the visits, since he just emailed me saying he was interested.

So your first contact was in RS2? Yeah, not realistic.

If they would fix the EE problem, and make that more realistic, then I would have contacted him, or someone else earlier. I don't see what is totally unrealistic about contacting a player late in recruiting. If players in real life suddenly left when it said they were likely staying, a team would start looking at kids that are still uncommitted and contact them. There's no point in recruiting players once you already have your roster filled.

You guys are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole by arguing that the recruit wasn't contacted early enough. Again, there are MANY things that make this game unrealistic. And recruiting is a big one.

In real life does a player who is ranked by major scouting organizations NOT get contacted until moments before end of signing period? NO! They are contacted when they're sophomores in HS or even earlier. C'mon. How can you compare real life recruiting actions to this game when it has tons of other inaccuracies like this one?

So unless we want to start recruiting players when they're Soph or Juniors in HS (gasp, just like in real life!) then you can't use the argument "oh the D1 school didn't contact him until the final day of the final signing period" and then compare that to real life. Real life recruiting takes YEARS while we have only a few days. C'mon.

Bottom line, you're not going to be able to replicate real life in this game. It's not possible. But people want to get as close to it while also making the game the most amount of fun. A coach being at a school for 50 seasons (which in real life time is only several years, not 50 years) may be fine for the game. D1 schools losing to D2 schools because of a flawed recruiting system isn't realistic nor good for the game according to many.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 10:24:00 AM (view original):
Truth is, the entire process is a fail. Even if UConn or MSU hasn't contacted a recruit, East Carolina or The Citadel has. Would any of you be happier if the recruit signed with ECU/Citadel instead of a D2? Or would the complaint be "No way in hell would a recruit sign with The Citadel if MSU showed interest!!"?

It depends on the level of interest. If the Citadel or East Carolina promised a start and PT and MSU didn't, I'd not have an issue with that at all. Especially if MSU had only made some calls (APs) and had not heavily recruited the kid. I like the fact that lower level D1 teams have a better chance at the better players now, but for a player to pass up playing for an elite D1 team to go to D2 is not normal. I could see it happening once in a blue moon, but it happens too much in my opinion now. My solution would be to have D2 teams wait one extra day in the second period before they can sign D1 players. At the very least 3 cycles.

Posted by Benis on 12/31/2016 10:27:00 AM (view original):
You guys are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole by arguing that the recruit wasn't contacted early enough. Again, there are MANY things that make this game unrealistic. And recruiting is a big one.

In real life does a player who is ranked by major scouting organizations NOT get contacted until moments before end of signing period? NO! They are contacted when they're sophomores in HS or even earlier. C'mon. How can you compare real life recruiting actions to this game when it has tons of other inaccuracies like this one?

So unless we want to start recruiting players when they're Soph or Juniors in HS (gasp, just like in real life!) then you can't use the argument "oh the D1 school didn't contact him until the final day of the final signing period" and then compare that to real life. Real life recruiting takes YEARS while we have only a few days. C'mon.

Bottom line, you're not going to be able to replicate real life in this game. It's not possible. But people want to get as close to it while also making the game the most amount of fun. A coach being at a school for 50 seasons (which in real life time is only several years, not 50 years) may be fine for the game. D1 schools losing to D2 schools because of a flawed recruiting system isn't realistic nor good for the game according to many.

Exactly - well said.

I agree with your point on the EE timeline chapel, but I don't think you should have gotten that recruit given when you started giving him APs. EEs should be announced halfway through recruiting period 1, and teams should get an extra opening's worth of resources for it.

The "realism" conversation is stupid. If recruits not dropping interest in the D2 team they've been talking to for weeks because of a phone call from a B6 school is the least realistic thing you've seen, then you're either not paying attention or ignoring other unrealistic parts of this game. That's the point - it's a game. If it were 100% realistic then it wouldn't be fun.

Posted by chapelhillne on 12/31/2016 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 10:24:00 AM (view original):
Truth is, the entire process is a fail. Even if UConn or MSU hasn't contacted a recruit, East Carolina or The Citadel has. Would any of you be happier if the recruit signed with ECU/Citadel instead of a D2? Or would the complaint be "No way in hell would a recruit sign with The Citadel if MSU showed interest!!"?

It depends on the level of interest. If the Citadel or East Carolina promised a start and PT and MSU didn't, I'd not have an issue with that at all. Especially if MSU had only made some calls (APs) and had not heavily recruited the kid. I like the fact that lower level D1 teams have a better chance at the better players now, but for a player to pass up playing for an elite D1 team to go to D2 is not normal. I could see it happening once in a blue moon, but it happens too much in my opinion now. My solution would be to have D2 teams wait one extra day in the second period before they can sign D1 players. At the very least 3 cycles.

I'll repeat this.

It's not a D2 school that's getting shafted. It's a user playing in D2. It's a poor business model. It's essentially shifting the EE problem to D2.

Honestly, and I'm patting myself on the back, the free "targeting" is probably the best idea I've seen. The D2 could see that MSU targets a player in RS1, but not necessarily recruits him, so they know it's a gamble to use resources. And MSU can come in during RS2 and recruit if they get shut out on the guys they want.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/31/2016 10:24:00 AM (view original):
Truth is, the entire process is a fail. Even if UConn or MSU hasn't contacted a recruit, East Carolina or The Citadel has. Would any of you be happier if the recruit signed with ECU/Citadel instead of a D2? Or would the complaint be "No way in hell would a recruit sign with The Citadel if MSU showed interest!!"?

I don't mind The Citadel if it has some prestige, not a D- rebuild. Say it's on its way, why not? It is still d1 ball and a start, 20 min as a frosh.

D2 are not losing anything. Recruiting in D2 is easy. Plenty of talent. Why not cap D2 to D1, no stars, not top 100?

Posted by chapelhillne on 12/31/2016 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 12/31/2016 10:27:00 AM (view original):
You guys are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole by arguing that the recruit wasn't contacted early enough. Again, there are MANY things that make this game unrealistic. And recruiting is a big one.

In real life does a player who is ranked by major scouting organizations NOT get contacted until moments before end of signing period? NO! They are contacted when they're sophomores in HS or even earlier. C'mon. How can you compare real life recruiting actions to this game when it has tons of other inaccuracies like this one?

So unless we want to start recruiting players when they're Soph or Juniors in HS (gasp, just like in real life!) then you can't use the argument "oh the D1 school didn't contact him until the final day of the final signing period" and then compare that to real life. Real life recruiting takes YEARS while we have only a few days. C'mon.

Bottom line, you're not going to be able to replicate real life in this game. It's not possible. But people want to get as close to it while also making the game the most amount of fun. A coach being at a school for 50 seasons (which in real life time is only several years, not 50 years) may be fine for the game. D1 schools losing to D2 schools because of a flawed recruiting system isn't realistic nor good for the game according to many.

Exactly - well said.

I think one of the biggest problems when trying to compare this game to real life is that in real life coaches are always thinking 2-3 seasons down the road. When Coach K signs Brandon Ingram, he doesn't wait until Ingram is on campus. He doesn't wait until he starts getting draft buzz. And he certainly doesn't wait until he declares to start recruiting his replacement. He starts recruiting IMMEDIATELY. But you can't do that in this game. You can't start recruiting 2 classes down the line. Even "sending letters or attention" or w/e to potential recruits who will will play in 2-3 seasons.

Posted by reinsel on 12/30/2016 9:25:00 PM (view original):
Eh, prestige doesn't matter enough:

This recruit has signed with Florida Tech.

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Team	Coach	Division	Prestige	Int Level	Scholarship Offer?
Boston College	oldman	DI	A+	Very High	Yes
Kentucky	cem6989	DI	A-	Very High	Yes
Michigan State	treyomo	DI	A+	Very High	Yes
Florida Tech.	jlo0813	DII	A+	High	Yes
Green Mountain	the0nlyis	DII	A+	Low	Yes
Ohio State	jknispel	DI	A-	Low	Yes
Alabama	Sim AI	DI	B-	Very Low	No
Arizona State	abelemons	DI	C+	Very Low	No
Austin Peay	Sim AI	DI	B	Very Low	No
Belmont	Sim AI	DI	C	Very Low	No

3 star international....signed with Florida Tech?

Just because that happens every once in a while does not mean prestige does not matter enough. If it happens 50% of the time .. that is a major issue. If it happens 10% of the time, it is no problem at all.