Posted by mullycj on 1/26/2017 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/26/2017 8:46:00 PM (view original):
I think prestige is roughly half of what it was.

So
In order to make it so everyone gets their participation trophy they..
remove post season cash
remove carry over cash
put a cap on CVs
put a cap on HVs
AND rips the balls off of prestige....
Great new game...

With no cap on CVs or HVs, you increase the odds that a lower prestige team with resources for 6 scholarships can beat out an A+. And anyway, no one gets a trophy for winning a single recruit. The best coaches are still competing for championships, at least the ones bothering to adapt.

Posted by snafu4u on 1/26/2017 8:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/26/2017 8:46:00 PM (view original):
I think prestige is roughly half of what it was.

Yikes--that would be quite a hit. Is this based of data or gut feeling based on experiences so far? (no judgement either way, just curious--I make a too many decisions based off of gut feeling haha)

It's mostly my intuition and logic. No real evidence.

I recently beat an A as a B-. I got to high. I don't remember the preferences but I think they were close. Under the old rules he would have been up about twice as much which would have put me on the bottom end of high which I don't think I was.

The calculation may be the same but with the introduction of preferences I think the relative value has gone down. For example:

in 2.0 you could put in 500 "points" of recruiting and then get 500 "points" of prestige

in 3.0 that happens but it's also possible to get 500 "points" in preferences which makes prestige less valuable

if they are all weighted equally, that's more like a reduction in value of a 1/6th . I don't think it works exactly that way, but I think it is something like that.

Posted by shoe3 on 1/27/2017 12:01:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 1/26/2017 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/26/2017 8:46:00 PM (view original):
I think prestige is roughly half of what it was.

So
In order to make it so everyone gets their participation trophy they..
remove post season cash
remove carry over cash
put a cap on CVs
put a cap on HVs
AND rips the balls off of prestige....
Great new game...

With no cap on CVs or HVs, you increase the odds that a lower prestige team with resources for 6 scholarships can beat out an A+. And anyway, no one gets a trophy for winning a single recruit. The best coaches are still competing for championships, at least the ones bothering to adapt.

Complaining is easier than adapting. The best will still be the best no matter what system is used.

Posted by shoe3 on 1/26/2017 11:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 1/26/2017 11:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 1/26/2017 9:48:00 PM (view original):
Snafu : I doubt your analysis is right. Something does not add up. I think you can hang with A+ starting at B-, regardless of AP... I am pretty positive C+ and down would be dropped to moderate.

Just straight calculations Zorzii. That is the max AP he could put in and I know I went all in.

Assuming you promised a start and you were 5 cycles in when you posted, so he is maybe up 400 to 150 on APs at that point. He is just barely hanging on, by the skin of the teeth, IMO, if everything you've said is accurate. I'd be comfortable rolling with him, you're likely up somewhere in the 80-20 range, as far as signing odds go. Maybe better. If you wanted to be sure, if you have more APs available, you could probably knock him out of signing range moving up to the 50 area for a few cycles (I have no idea where you are in the first session, or how many cycles you'll have left before he signs).

This is what I have done (put my AP up to the 50 range) - 2 cycles have processed since the change but my opponent is still at High.

I think trentonjoe asked if I had promised 25 min--I did not, I promised 15min, but the recruit has "no preference" for playing time so that shouldn't be a big multiplier.

It's not Snafu. Did you promise start? If he did, it's a huge boost worth more than a cv. Boost your ap but I think he prolly maxed out ap from the start and gambled everything. He will learn soon as I did, D1 recruiting hurts when you **** up the maths.

Posted by zorzii on 1/27/2017 8:08:00 AM (view original):
It's not Snafu. Did you promise start? If he did, it's a huge boost worth more than a cv. Boost your ap but I think he prolly maxed out ap from the start and gambled everything. He will learn soon as I did, D1 recruiting hurts when you **** up the maths.

I agree, if Nova hasn't offered a start, that explains why the D+ is hanging around, and he may not be on the low side of high, either. If he has offered a start, I'm confident that the D+ is a very low high, and can be knocked off with enough extra AP investment, given enough cycles.

Also worth noting, the promise of minutes does affect a recruit's consideration, independent of preferences. I've moved up on the basis of promise of minutes alone, on a recruit who had no PT preference. I would assume 25 is more valuable than 15 as a standalone.

Posted by shoe3 on 1/27/2017 8:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 1/27/2017 8:08:00 AM (view original):
It's not Snafu. Did you promise start? If he did, it's a huge boost worth more than a cv. Boost your ap but I think he prolly maxed out ap from the start and gambled everything. He will learn soon as I did, D1 recruiting hurts when you **** up the maths.

I agree, if Nova hasn't offered a start, that explains why the D+ is hanging around, and he may not be on the low side of high, either. If he has offered a start, I'm confident that the D+ is a very low high, and can be knocked off with enough extra AP investment, given enough cycles.

Also worth noting, the promise of minutes does affect a recruit's consideration, independent of preferences. I've moved up on the basis of promise of minutes alone, on a recruit who had no PT preference. I would assume 25 is more valuable than 15 as a standalone.

I knew promising minutes improved standing, but I thought if the recruit had no playing time preference it was more along the lines of the equivilent of a HV as opposed to scaling the whole cumulative effort. I have not promised a start. Really don't want to as this recruit is not ready to start on my squad, but might just to learn from the experience.

Posted by snafu4u on 1/27/2017 9:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 1/27/2017 8:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 1/27/2017 8:08:00 AM (view original):
It's not Snafu. Did you promise start? If he did, it's a huge boost worth more than a cv. Boost your ap but I think he prolly maxed out ap from the start and gambled everything. He will learn soon as I did, D1 recruiting hurts when you **** up the maths.

I agree, if Nova hasn't offered a start, that explains why the D+ is hanging around, and he may not be on the low side of high, either. If he has offered a start, I'm confident that the D+ is a very low high, and can be knocked off with enough extra AP investment, given enough cycles.

Also worth noting, the promise of minutes does affect a recruit's consideration, independent of preferences. I've moved up on the basis of promise of minutes alone, on a recruit who had no PT preference. I would assume 25 is more valuable than 15 as a standalone.

I knew promising minutes improved standing, but I thought if the recruit had no playing time preference it was more along the lines of the equivilent of a HV as opposed to scaling the whole cumulative effort. I have not promised a start. Really don't want to as this recruit is not ready to start on my squad, but might just to learn from the experience.

Yeah, he went nuts on him, promise start, promise minutes (worth something as Shoe noted), so that is why he hangs with you. But even without those two, if your AP gets higher, I think you can drop him. What's his signing preference? I'd put a lot of AP until the last cycle before he could sign, so it's the first one for whenever, early and by the end of... And if he is not to moderate, I'd go with the promise start or promise minutes or both.

A.

Posted by snafu4u on 1/27/2017 9:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 1/27/2017 8:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 1/27/2017 8:08:00 AM (view original):
It's not Snafu. Did you promise start? If he did, it's a huge boost worth more than a cv. Boost your ap but I think he prolly maxed out ap from the start and gambled everything. He will learn soon as I did, D1 recruiting hurts when you **** up the maths.

I agree, if Nova hasn't offered a start, that explains why the D+ is hanging around, and he may not be on the low side of high, either. If he has offered a start, I'm confident that the D+ is a very low high, and can be knocked off with enough extra AP investment, given enough cycles.

Also worth noting, the promise of minutes does affect a recruit's consideration, independent of preferences. I've moved up on the basis of promise of minutes alone, on a recruit who had no PT preference. I would assume 25 is more valuable than 15 as a standalone.

I knew promising minutes improved standing, but I thought if the recruit had no playing time preference it was more along the lines of the equivilent of a HV as opposed to scaling the whole cumulative effort. I have not promised a start. Really don't want to as this recruit is not ready to start on my squad, but might just to learn from the experience.

Well okay, now if you haven't promised a start that's important information.

Before AP's you can roughly sink in about 28 HV's worth of credit (20 HV, 3 for the CV, 3 for the start, 2 for MAX minutes). If he really went all in thats 28 HV's and you would be at 24. That's 15% more effort from the jump. If he's got 250 more AP's, that's 2-4 more HV's.

He's probably somewhere around 33 HV's while you are are 27 so he's put in more than 20% effort at this point. If prestige is half of what it used to me, you have something like a 63-33 advantage which is very close to moving him off high.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/27/2017 10:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 1/27/2017 9:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 1/27/2017 8:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 1/27/2017 8:08:00 AM (view original):
It's not Snafu. Did you promise start? If he did, it's a huge boost worth more than a cv. Boost your ap but I think he prolly maxed out ap from the start and gambled everything. He will learn soon as I did, D1 recruiting hurts when you **** up the maths.

I agree, if Nova hasn't offered a start, that explains why the D+ is hanging around, and he may not be on the low side of high, either. If he has offered a start, I'm confident that the D+ is a very low high, and can be knocked off with enough extra AP investment, given enough cycles.

Also worth noting, the promise of minutes does affect a recruit's consideration, independent of preferences. I've moved up on the basis of promise of minutes alone, on a recruit who had no PT preference. I would assume 25 is more valuable than 15 as a standalone.

I knew promising minutes improved standing, but I thought if the recruit had no playing time preference it was more along the lines of the equivilent of a HV as opposed to scaling the whole cumulative effort. I have not promised a start. Really don't want to as this recruit is not ready to start on my squad, but might just to learn from the experience.

Well okay, now if you haven't promised a start that's important information.

Before AP's you can roughly sink in about 28 HV's worth of credit (20 HV, 3 for the CV, 3 for the start, 2 for MAX minutes). If he really went all in thats 28 HV's and you would be at 24. That's 15% more effort from the jump. If he's got 250 more AP's, that's 2-4 more HV's.

He's probably somewhere around 33 HV's while you are are 27 so he's put in more than 20% effort at this point. If prestige is half of what it used to me, you have something like a 63-33 advantage which is very close to moving him off high.

"63-33 advantage" Can you explain what this means?

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/27/2017 10:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by snafu4u on 1/27/2017 9:53:00 AM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 1/27/2017 8:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 1/27/2017 8:08:00 AM (view original):
It's not Snafu. Did you promise start? If he did, it's a huge boost worth more than a cv. Boost your ap but I think he prolly maxed out ap from the start and gambled everything. He will learn soon as I did, D1 recruiting hurts when you **** up the maths.

I agree, if Nova hasn't offered a start, that explains why the D+ is hanging around, and he may not be on the low side of high, either. If he has offered a start, I'm confident that the D+ is a very low high, and can be knocked off with enough extra AP investment, given enough cycles.

Also worth noting, the promise of minutes does affect a recruit's consideration, independent of preferences. I've moved up on the basis of promise of minutes alone, on a recruit who had no PT preference. I would assume 25 is more valuable than 15 as a standalone.

I knew promising minutes improved standing, but I thought if the recruit had no playing time preference it was more along the lines of the equivilent of a HV as opposed to scaling the whole cumulative effort. I have not promised a start. Really don't want to as this recruit is not ready to start on my squad, but might just to learn from the experience.

Well okay, now if you haven't promised a start that's important information.

Before AP's you can roughly sink in about 28 HV's worth of credit (20 HV, 3 for the CV, 3 for the start, 2 for MAX minutes). If he really went all in thats 28 HV's and you would be at 24. That's 15% more effort from the jump. If he's got 250 more AP's, that's 2-4 more HV's.

He's probably somewhere around 33 HV's while you are are 27 so he's put in more than 20% effort at this point. If prestige is half of what it used to me, you have something like a 63-33 advantage which is very close to moving him off high.

Thanks for that breakdown--my thinking is pretty close to your except I was valuing prestige higher, which is why I was thinking I should have already knocked him off. I just promised start and increased minutes so I will update after the 11am cycle.

Posted by lakevin on 1/27/2017 10:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 1/26/2017 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/26/2017 8:46:00 PM (view original):
I think prestige is roughly half of what it was.

So
In order to make it so everyone gets their participation trophy they..
remove post season cash
remove carry over cash
put a cap on CVs
put a cap on HVs
AND rips the balls off of prestige....
Great new game...

And Spud still doesn't have a win in a tournament game. Please stop posting until you show you know something about the game.

+1

Posted by lakevin on 1/27/2017 10:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mullycj on 1/26/2017 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/26/2017 8:46:00 PM (view original):
I think prestige is roughly half of what it was.

So
In order to make it so everyone gets their participation trophy they..
remove post season cash
remove carry over cash
put a cap on CVs
put a cap on HVs
AND rips the balls off of prestige....
Great new game...

And Spud still doesn't have a win in a tournament game. Please stop posting until you show you know something about the game.

I don't believe that's in the Terms of Use section. Care to point it out?

Promised start and increased minutes pushed my opponent down to Moderate.