Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 11:07:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by bathtubhippo on 3/30/2017 11:11:00 PM (view original):
75% of the posts in these EE threads are still by folks that have never had one. Amazing.

Because there's just no way to understand the issues if you haven't?

Of course it's possible, but until said coach has to actually scramble trying to replace the player(s) that they lost, they just don't get the actual full effect of what other coaches are saying/suggesting/complaining about.

Having played at high level D1 for many seasons in Tark (and other worlds), I can say from personal experience that EE's are far too random. Just one example, at Duke I recruited the #1 rated SG who also happened to be the #1 rated player for that particular season. The #1 overall player mind you and he stayed all four years. Was I happy? Of course. Was it realistic? Very much not. The guy ended up with a final rating of 1062 and he decides to stay four seasons while I watch far more inferior players declare early? Yes, I understand that there are examples like that in real life as well but this isn't real life.

Now that mid-majors and lower actually have a chance at signing some of the big boys, I personally wouldn't be opposed to doing away with EE's altogether. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority there but it "does" eliminate the problem, no?

I'll try to put this as simple as I can. You recruit a great player. You should know there is the possibility that he will leave early. If he doesn't, good for you. If he does, he leave a big hole in your line-up. It will be very difficult to get a comparable player to replace him because you don't get the resources until he declares.

Am I missing something?

yes, you are missing something - but you know it. it can be very difficult to get a playable player in some circumstances. I dont think anyone argues should be able to get "comparable" guys.

As discussed in many threads, the tough issue is in the hard to predict cases where there at times - in the current scheme - is no good way to get DI playable guys.

"comparable" isnt the question for any reasonable discussion

Yeah, Mike, you're missing the sense of entitlement that comes with having an NBA-caliber player on your team, or playing the game for years. That moves the whole argument from factual to irrational.

Posted by Benis on 3/31/2017 10:45:00 AM (view original):
This is basically how I feel about the people who complain about user's 'whining' about EEs and then get told they've never experienced it so they don't understand.

It's like if you ran a marathon and you're talking to a buddy. Let's call him "Mike".

You- "Wow this marathon was so hard, I barely made it to the finish".
Mike- "I ran a 10k a couple weeks ago. It wasn't bad. I'm sure a marathon isn't too much harder."
You - "They're not similar at all. Until you do a full marathon, you can't really understand what it's like"
Mike - "Do you think you just invented running!?! Get over yourself you cocky a-hole!"

hahahah, that's awesome

Posted by metsmax on 3/31/2017 11:29:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 11:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 3/31/2017 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 9:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bathtubhippo on 3/30/2017 11:11:00 PM (view original):
75% of the posts in these EE threads are still by folks that have never had one. Amazing.

Because there's just no way to understand the issues if you haven't?

Of course it's possible, but until said coach has to actually scramble trying to replace the player(s) that they lost, they just don't get the actual full effect of what other coaches are saying/suggesting/complaining about.

Having played at high level D1 for many seasons in Tark (and other worlds), I can say from personal experience that EE's are far too random. Just one example, at Duke I recruited the #1 rated SG who also happened to be the #1 rated player for that particular season. The #1 overall player mind you and he stayed all four years. Was I happy? Of course. Was it realistic? Very much not. The guy ended up with a final rating of 1062 and he decides to stay four seasons while I watch far more inferior players declare early? Yes, I understand that there are examples like that in real life as well but this isn't real life.

Now that mid-majors and lower actually have a chance at signing some of the big boys, I personally wouldn't be opposed to doing away with EE's altogether. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority there but it "does" eliminate the problem, no?

I'll try to put this as simple as I can. You recruit a great player. You should know there is the possibility that he will leave early. If he doesn't, good for you. If he does, he leave a big hole in your line-up. It will be very difficult to get a comparable player to replace him because you don't get the resources until he declares.

Am I missing something?

yes, you are missing something - but you know it. it can be very difficult to get a playable player in some circumstances. I dont think anyone argues should be able to get "comparable" guys.

As discussed in many threads, the tough issue is in the hard to predict cases where there at times - in the current scheme - is no good way to get DI playable guys.

"comparable" isnt the question for any reasonable discussion

EE are not "hard to predict". HD offers a big board of the top 100 players. If you have players on that board, you can expect to lose them. If you don't, good for you. But there are no surprises. Great players are likely to leave early.

"Playable" is up to you. As I see it, users are taking walk-ons as opposed to substitutes. That's their decision.

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 11:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by metsmax on 3/31/2017 11:29:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 11:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by emy1013 on 3/31/2017 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 3/31/2017 9:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bathtubhippo on 3/30/2017 11:11:00 PM (view original):
75% of the posts in these EE threads are still by folks that have never had one. Amazing.

Because there's just no way to understand the issues if you haven't?

Of course it's possible, but until said coach has to actually scramble trying to replace the player(s) that they lost, they just don't get the actual full effect of what other coaches are saying/suggesting/complaining about.

Having played at high level D1 for many seasons in Tark (and other worlds), I can say from personal experience that EE's are far too random. Just one example, at Duke I recruited the #1 rated SG who also happened to be the #1 rated player for that particular season. The #1 overall player mind you and he stayed all four years. Was I happy? Of course. Was it realistic? Very much not. The guy ended up with a final rating of 1062 and he decides to stay four seasons while I watch far more inferior players declare early? Yes, I understand that there are examples like that in real life as well but this isn't real life.

Now that mid-majors and lower actually have a chance at signing some of the big boys, I personally wouldn't be opposed to doing away with EE's altogether. I'm sure I'm in a very small minority there but it "does" eliminate the problem, no?

I'll try to put this as simple as I can. You recruit a great player. You should know there is the possibility that he will leave early. If he doesn't, good for you. If he does, he leave a big hole in your line-up. It will be very difficult to get a comparable player to replace him because you don't get the resources until he declares.

Am I missing something?

yes, you are missing something - but you know it. it can be very difficult to get a playable player in some circumstances. I dont think anyone argues should be able to get "comparable" guys.

As discussed in many threads, the tough issue is in the hard to predict cases where there at times - in the current scheme - is no good way to get DI playable guys.

"comparable" isnt the question for any reasonable discussion

EE are not "hard to predict". HD offers a big board of the top 100 players. If you have players on that board, you can expect to lose them. If you don't, good for you. But there are no surprises. Great players are likely to leave early.

"Playable" is up to you. As I see it, users are taking walk-ons as opposed to substitutes. That's their decision.

Players on the big board who say 'staying' declare. Players who aren't on the big board at all also declare.

Again, you have ZERO experience with EEs and judging by your current success you never will. Let to successful coaches have a big boy conversation Mike. :)

STFU :-)

As I said, if you want to start ONE THREAD dedicated to EE, I'll stay out. But, as long as you and the complaint brigade feel obligated to start new threads every day, you'll see me.

And I asked you yesterday to explain, using small words, what I DON'T understand about EE. I've read MORE than enough about them. I feel like I've had a hundred or more EE. That's how much I've read. So, if you'd like, explain EE to me.

People can start threads on whatever they want.

Wardo has created dozens of nonsense threads and you've managed to ignore those. Just ignore these too if they bother you so much.

No thanks.