Guys, Only didn't do anything wrong. I trust him. It may look suspicious, but I have faith in 99% of user with Multiple IDs in 1 world.

Posted by piman314 on 3/31/2017 2:55:00 PM (view original):
Something has been bothering me for a while and I want to get others' takes on it. There are 2 different examples of this that I've seen and am sure there are more.

1. While recruiting with one of my teams on a coast (I'm trying to be vague because I don't want to call out a specific coach) I was keeping my eye on a player as a possible back-up option. About a day into recruiting a d3 school from the other side of the country (2000+ miles) shows up on the recruit. The problem: the D3 school is coached by a well known (not secret) second ID of a guy who as a D1 school close to my team.

2. A coach (different from number 1) has two schools in the same division in the same world, over 1000 miles apart. Roster from school B has players from the same state as school A.

Look, I like both of these coaches and certainly don't want to accuse anybody of any wrong doing. I have no idea if they did anything wrong. But I think most will agree with me that this just looks bad. D3 schools recruiting 1000s of miles from where they are in states that would have been covered by a second ID in the same world just doesn't seem right due to the smaller scouting budgets D3 schools get. So my question is, in 3.0, if you have two IDs, is it up to you as a coach to not overlap recruiting areas? Am I way off base? I have no problems with multiple IDs but if my UConn and Cal Tech teams were in the same world I would make sure that Cal Tech had no players from the northeast and UConn nobody from the west coast. Anyway, I'd love to get others takes on this.

that's cheating, yes. it's gaining an unfair advantage contrary to the spirit of the game.

Posted by ab90 on 4/2/2017 4:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by piman314 on 3/31/2017 2:55:00 PM (view original):
Something has been bothering me for a while and I want to get others' takes on it. There are 2 different examples of this that I've seen and am sure there are more.

1. While recruiting with one of my teams on a coast (I'm trying to be vague because I don't want to call out a specific coach) I was keeping my eye on a player as a possible back-up option. About a day into recruiting a d3 school from the other side of the country (2000+ miles) shows up on the recruit. The problem: the D3 school is coached by a well known (not secret) second ID of a guy who as a D1 school close to my team.

2. A coach (different from number 1) has two schools in the same division in the same world, over 1000 miles apart. Roster from school B has players from the same state as school A.

Look, I like both of these coaches and certainly don't want to accuse anybody of any wrong doing. I have no idea if they did anything wrong. But I think most will agree with me that this just looks bad. D3 schools recruiting 1000s of miles from where they are in states that would have been covered by a second ID in the same world just doesn't seem right due to the smaller scouting budgets D3 schools get. So my question is, in 3.0, if you have two IDs, is it up to you as a coach to not overlap recruiting areas? Am I way off base? I have no problems with multiple IDs but if my UConn and Cal Tech teams were in the same world I would make sure that Cal Tech had no players from the northeast and UConn nobody from the west coast. Anyway, I'd love to get others takes on this.

that's cheating, yes. it's gaining an unfair advantage contrary to the spirit of the game.

Piman- you should have mentioned that the recruit came from Canada. That makes a big difference. Any school in the country is likely to scout Canada. Its not like a team from NY scouted CA. That's a different story.

The problem is there isn't a way to prove cheating anymore. In 2.0 you could see every player right off the bat (there wasn't any "discovering" players via scouting). Now you have to at least FSS the state to discover players, meaning the suspected cheating ID scouted the player. Whether or not they scouted after getting information from the first ID is impossible to prove. Coaches with alt IDs have much more to gain in 3.0 for all the reasons metsmax mentioned. And unfortunately on the forums you are guilty until proven innocent-while this situation certainly seems suspicious there's no way to prove anything anymore.

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Posted by Benis on 4/2/2017 11:09:00 AM (view original):
hahaha Spud is hilarious. He's the one with SECRET alt IDs which he refuses to reveal for NO REASON. Yet here he is accusing others of cheating.

Like he said, he's very up front with his alt IDs and everyone knows they are connected. Anyone can check what he's doing. Also, he has over 10 teams, so there is a reason for the Alt IDs. what's your excuse Spud?

Well, the OP did check on what he was doing. Sure looks like cheating. Your boy is a cheat. Accept it.

Michael- just because you're butthurt from only trolling you before, doesn't mean he was cheating. As the OP says, it looked suspicious. But you act like you caught him red handed.

Catching someone redhanded would be like having a secret ID and the team has high level players from the secret ID's state. This is not anywhere close to that.

Relax.

Shocker. Benis the Hypocrite lines up to support his boy.

He cheated. He got caught. Plain and simple.

Hell, he may have other aliases he uses to cheat.

Not sure how you can "get caught" when you have "well known" IDs (pimans words).

Guess its guilty before proven innocent around here.

Jesus, you're really dumb or really in love with 0nly.

He used his D1 scouting for his D3 team. He could have been doing it for years without anyone noticing. piman noticed.

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/2/2017 5:21:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 4/2/2017 11:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 4/2/2017 11:09:00 AM (view original):
hahaha Spud is hilarious. He's the one with SECRET alt IDs which he refuses to reveal for NO REASON. Yet here he is accusing others of cheating.

Like he said, he's very up front with his alt IDs and everyone knows they are connected. Anyone can check what he's doing. Also, he has over 10 teams, so there is a reason for the Alt IDs. what's your excuse Spud?

Well, the OP did check on what he was doing. Sure looks like cheating. Your boy is a cheat. Accept it.

Michael- just because you're butthurt from only trolling you before, doesn't mean he was cheating. As the OP says, it looked suspicious. But you act like you caught him red handed.

Catching someone redhanded would be like having a secret ID and the team has high level players from the secret ID's state. This is not anywhere close to that.

Relax.

Shocker. Benis the Hypocrite lines up to support his boy.

He cheated. He got caught. Plain and simple.

Hell, he may have other aliases he uses to cheat.

Not sure how you can "get caught" when you have "well known" IDs (pimans words).

Guess its guilty before proven innocent around here.

Jesus, you're really dumb or really in love with 0nly.

He used his D1 scouting for his D3 team. He could have been doing it for years without anyone noticing. piman noticed.

Yes, I'm dumb because I don't assume things and say they're facts.

How do you know he used his D1 scouting for his D3 team? Because he scouted Canada? How do you know that he scouted Canada with his D1 team. You don't know. You just assume that he's cheating because you don't like him. You and Spud are the dynamic duo of BS.

So you just think it's a strange coincidence? You're a gullible buttlick.

Well mike and spud are allowed to think I cheated, I don't care and I really doubt anyone cares about their view either especially spuds view. I stated it from what happened, people can accept that or not, I don't need to prove anything to mike or spud lol. If anyone wants to read the post I made I believe its on page 3.

"I was keeping my eye on a player as a possible back-up option. About a day into recruiting a d3 school from the other side of the country (2000+ miles) shows up on the recruit. The problem: the D3 school is coached by a well known (not secret) second ID of a guy who as a D1 school close to my team."


Wow. What a weird thing to happen.

Why is that weird? Would it be weird if it was a player from Korea or China? It's the same thing. he scouted Canada. For those not good with geography, Canada stretches from coast to coast. So why would it be weird for a team to scout Canada that is located on the East Coast?

But for real, that's basically what you're saying. You're saying that anyone who has a D1 ID and a D3 ID in the same world is cheating if they go for D1 international players. I think that it's a slippery slope as I mentioned before, but that doesn't mean that they are 100% cheating.

So you don't think it's feasible that he L4 scouted the guy with his D1 school then simply went L1 with his D3 school to open him up? Really?

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/2/2017 5:40:00 PM (view original):
So you don't think it's feasible that he L4 scouted the guy with his D1 school then simply went L1 with his D3 school to open him up? Really?

Of course it's feasible Mike. That's not what we're talking about here, is it? You're not saying, "well, it looks like he could be cheating, there should be some rule changes against this because it's hard to tell".

No, you're saying "ahhh! It's proof he cheated! No doubt about it!".

If there was more than 1 player that you could point to that Only did this with, then you could build an argument that there is a trend of fishy behavior. This is a one instance thing here. You're overreacting if you're just going to jump to accusing someone.

Do you think it's possible he's done it multiple times and no one has noticed?

I know he's your buttbuddy but, seriously, the reason to have two schools in one world is to cheat.

I think Mike has a point Only and Benis. And there is no way to prove he has cheated or he hasn't cheated, for that sole reason, I think having two IDS in one world should be forbidden. There is a lot more to gain by having two IDS in 3.0 than there was Under 2.0.