Posted by mrslam34 on 4/3/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
There is a rule in the fair play guidelines against sharing Future Stars Scouting information with multiple teams.

I would argue that any user who uses the D1 scouting service on the same state (or international) is in violation of this rule. Any scouting information that he learns at the D1 school would automatically be shared with and available to the D3 school because it's the same user. The only way to avoid breaking this rule is to not have any overlapping states.

Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams

This is the rule that's listed in the fair play guidelines. However the key word is "sharing". It's impossible to share something with yourself. What is implied is sharing FSS with another coach. That's my interpretation of the rule.And if that isn't what WIS intended the rule to be, then they need to word it correctly, so there is no room for interpretation.

Posted by thewizard17 on 4/3/2017 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 4/3/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
There is a rule in the fair play guidelines against sharing Future Stars Scouting information with multiple teams.

I would argue that any user who uses the D1 scouting service on the same state (or international) is in violation of this rule. Any scouting information that he learns at the D1 school would automatically be shared with and available to the D3 school because it's the same user. The only way to avoid breaking this rule is to not have any overlapping states.

Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams

This is the rule that's listed in the fair play guidelines. However the key word is "sharing". It's impossible to share something with yourself. What is implied is sharing FSS with another coach. That's my interpretation of the rule.And if that isn't what WIS intended the rule to be, then they need to word it correctly, so there is no room for interpretation.

B.S. You can't be that daft.

Posted by thewizard17 on 4/3/2017 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 4/3/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
There is a rule in the fair play guidelines against sharing Future Stars Scouting information with multiple teams.

I would argue that any user who uses the D1 scouting service on the same state (or international) is in violation of this rule. Any scouting information that he learns at the D1 school would automatically be shared with and available to the D3 school because it's the same user. The only way to avoid breaking this rule is to not have any overlapping states.

Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams

This is the rule that's listed in the fair play guidelines. However the key word is "sharing". It's impossible to share something with yourself. What is implied is sharing FSS with another coach. That's my interpretation of the rule.And if that isn't what WIS intended the rule to be, then they need to word it correctly, so there is no room for interpretation.

Edited my post before I saw your reply. I think my reading of the rule is reasonable, but it should be clarified by WiS.

Ill chime in, there is no way this can be a good thing. While it may not be technically against the rules, it just "seems" wrong. I just dont understand why someone would try to do this, does it feel better if you gain an edge doing this and ultimately become better for it? Wouldnt you want to just win without the help and feel better about being the best legitimately?

Never will understand why some people go to such great lengths to game the system and become great at an internet based game...for what?

I'll also never understand the need for two ID's in the same world?

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/3/2017 1:16:00 PM (view original):
OK, fair enough. WifS Fair Play Guidelines are outdated. That's on them. They're allowing it. Doesn't mean it's not cheating.

Example:
In HBD, there was a bug with International Free Agents. Once you saw one, you could add 1 to the end of his link to see the next one and the next one and the next one, etc. If the first was linked with HBDPIayer123456ifa, the next would be HBDPlayer123457ifa. Very few knew about it, I didn't, and it went unnoticed for years. Were those who used that to track the best IFA each year cheating? They could save their money because they knew better was on the way or if this one was the last good one. Were they cheating?

Wizard, were the HBD guys using this IFA "loophole" cheating?

Nothing in FPG about it.

I fully understand why you won't answer but thought I'd give you another chance. Just in case you missed it.

Posted by thewizard17 on 4/3/2017 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 4/3/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
There is a rule in the fair play guidelines against sharing Future Stars Scouting information with multiple teams.

I would argue that any user who uses the D1 scouting service on the same state (or international) is in violation of this rule. Any scouting information that he learns at the D1 school would automatically be shared with and available to the D3 school because it's the same user. The only way to avoid breaking this rule is to not have any overlapping states.

Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams

This is the rule that's listed in the fair play guidelines. However the key word is "sharing". It's impossible to share something with yourself. What is implied is sharing FSS with another coach. That's my interpretation of the rule.And if that isn't what WIS intended the rule to be, then they need to word it correctly, so there is no room for interpretation.

This is an example of the insane lengths people will go to defend one of their internet pals.

Posted by possumfiend on 4/3/2017 1:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thewizard17 on 4/3/2017 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mrslam34 on 4/3/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
There is a rule in the fair play guidelines against sharing Future Stars Scouting information with multiple teams.

I would argue that any user who uses the D1 scouting service on the same state (or international) is in violation of this rule. Any scouting information that he learns at the D1 school would automatically be shared with and available to the D3 school because it's the same user. The only way to avoid breaking this rule is to not have any overlapping states.

Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams

This is the rule that's listed in the fair play guidelines. However the key word is "sharing". It's impossible to share something with yourself. What is implied is sharing FSS with another coach. That's my interpretation of the rule.And if that isn't what WIS intended the rule to be, then they need to word it correctly, so there is no room for interpretation.

B.S. You can't be that daft.

Multiple teams means multiple teams. I agree, this interpretation - that "it's impossible to share something with yourself" - is DAF.

I control two teams in one world. I'm open about it, and go out of my way to not overlap, especially regarding internationals, which is by far the biggest potential cheat hole in 3.0 recruiting with multiple IDs. There is no way to rationalize recruiting a player scouted by another team you control.

The issue should be reported. WIS should investigate. If the D1 team did not scout Canada, or did not scout this player past level 2, I think it's reasonable to say no harm, no foul. If that player was scouted to see potential by D1 and not by D3, that's a violation, and the fair play rule should be enforced.

Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams
This is the rule that's listed in the fair play guidelines. However the key word is "sharing". It's impossible to share something with yourself.

So now bevis is joined by wizard defending cheating and/or the particular cheater who is the subject of this thread. Wizard, read what you quoted again ... and again and again if you still don't get it. Here, I'll help: "multiple teams" Get it now? It says "multiple teams," not multiple coaches. Team A can share with Team B whether they have different coaches or the same coach.

So....if you have questions concerning whether someone is cheating, send a ticket to CS. WIS can tell exactly what actions have been taken on any given recruit, by what team, and when. Let WIS deal with it. Is it any more wrong for someone to cheat than for someone to come here in a public forum and "convict" someone of cheating based on circumstantial evidence alone, with no concrete facts that cheating has occurred?

There also (not surpirisingly) seems to be no clear consensus on what is cheating and what is a competitive advantage ( this statement is NOT regarding the original post, but several examples listed throughout this thread). One is breaking the rules while the other is more pushing boundries of those rules. Real life examples of a competitive advantage that later BECAME a cheat or a violation of rules would be moving screens and shot clock violations. I use those 2 specific examples because they were NOT in violation of any written rules until the actions themselves became an overwhelming competitive advantage.

Way back in the day, the "3 point play" was a competitive advantage for teams who practiced it, but it was never an overwhelming advantage because it required some pretty specific parameters to pull off, thus no written rule preventing it was ever established (And the 3 point shot being established basically made this play obsolete). That wasn't the case with the 4 corners offense or with moving screens since any team could do either at any time, so something had to be done.

WIS probably should review the Fairplay Guidelines whenever they do a major update of the game, but being WIS, they do tend to skip over things like that until some event makes them address it.

Yes, it is more wrong to cheat than accuse.

Cheating affects how the game is played. The game people play for.
Tossing out accusations will result in others thinking someone is an ***. No harm done. Because it's the internet.

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/3/2017 10:40:00 AM (view original):
Well, if we want to suspend reality, here's what we're to believe:
1. He didn't scout Canada with his D1 team.
2. He spent $600+ in D3 money to get to L2 or $1800+ to get to L4.

Maybe both of those happened. Much more likely, he did scout Canada with his D1 and scouted him up with D1 money. Then opened Canada with his D3 and recruited the guy. If he even scouted Canada with his D1 before dropping a single AP on the guy, there's a problem.

You have never signed a guy without full scouting?

Posted by a_in_the_b on 4/3/2017 2:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/3/2017 10:40:00 AM (view original):
Well, if we want to suspend reality, here's what we're to believe:
1. He didn't scout Canada with his D1 team.
2. He spent $600+ in D3 money to get to L2 or $1800+ to get to L4.

Maybe both of those happened. Much more likely, he did scout Canada with his D1 and scouted him up with D1 money. Then opened Canada with his D3 and recruited the guy. If he even scouted Canada with his D1 before dropping a single AP on the guy, there's a problem.

You have never signed a guy without full scouting?

I have. Late in the process. Not the 2nd day as described in the first post.

So.....now everyone thinks this person is an *** and a cheater, and this being the internet, a few social justice warriors decide to target this individual in recruiting ( I've seen this happen MULTIPLE TIMES) .....has that not "affected" how the game is played? For several schools.

Also note that I said PUBLIC. Not accusing them but doing so IN PUBLIC, rather than taking it to the people who could actually determine if cheating had occurred.

Posted by CoachSpud on 4/3/2017 2:12:00 PM (view original):
Sharing Future Stars Scouting (FSS) information between multiple teams
This is the rule that's listed in the fair play guidelines. However the key word is "sharing". It's impossible to share something with yourself.

So now bevis is joined by wizard defending cheating and/or the particular cheater who is the subject of this thread. Wizard, read what you quoted again ... and again and again if you still don't get it. Here, I'll help: "multiple teams" Get it now? It says "multiple teams," not multiple coaches. Team A can share with Team B whether they have different coaches or the same coach.

And with your mental capacity, I hope nobody allows you within 500 feet of a school.I refuse to argue with a deliberate troll. Bye.

Posted by kashmir75 on 4/3/2017 2:25:00 PM (view original):
So.....now everyone thinks this person is an *** and a cheater, and this being the internet, a few social justice warriors decide to target this individual in recruiting ( I've seen this happen MULTIPLE TIMES) .....has that not "affected" how the game is played? For several schools.

Also note that I said PUBLIC. Not accusing them but doing so IN PUBLIC, rather than taking it to the people who could actually determine if cheating had occurred.

Well, many have defended him so hardly "everyone" thinks he's a cheater or an ***.

The fact is that he's been asked a few direct questions and hasn't answered them. The most important being "Did your D1 school scout Canada?"

Someone should probably ask WifS to look into it. I doubt anyone will but WifS could provide the answer and, if necessary, remove his alias from the world providing wrongdoing happened.