Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2017 11:47:00 AM (view original):
You would certainly be in the minority then. As this is a Dynasty game, most people are building something. Despite it's flaws, that's sort of the point. I know you hate the job change procedure but, IMO, it's working like it should in a Dynasty game. Jumping from job to job shouldn't be encouraged. When you take a new job, it should be with the intention of being there awhile. If that's the case, instant success isn't necessary.

In HBD, there is no penalty for one and done owners. But they often leave a pile of crap behind. I think HD is a different beast and the idea of hopping from team to team isn't the intent.

Yeah but we all had to start over. We can do it again. and it's not like I would lose that much since it's a game and I can build something back up in four to five seasons, maybe less if I take over a team owned by someone else, just like I did at John Hopkins D3. The guy did a tremendous job, I just took his gig. You can't do that in D1, you would imply, but to be honest, if it's a new world, nobody will be able to do it either. Just have to speed to your team.

I think you're massively mis-estimating the interest people would have in playing a world that's ticking down to the zero hour and overestimating that the game would actually hold their attention while waiting for the world to reboot at Season 1.

Consider, if you make that announcement that a world will end in Season X, the majority of people who aren't in position to contend for a title by Season X will jump ship -- why pay money in those final 4-5 seasons before the world ends if you know you're in development mode? Why would anyone join such a world? People who give any thought to their money are going to hold off joining anything until after the reboot -- that's money you could have had, but now no longer get. Even if you get them back at the relaunch of the world, you've lost 4-5 seasons of income from them, so you're not "making" anything in the process.

But also consider in those months where the final 4-5 seasons are playing down, some people who leave are going to forget to rejoin. You're going to lose others who find a new outlet for their online entertainment dollars or who find a new hobby that fills the time they used to spend on the game without thinking twice about it. I've been playing the site since '09, but if you told me I had to take a six month sabbatical from it, I'd tell you that your odds are less than 50/50 I return to it because I'm not going to sit around for those six months twiddling my thumbs...I'm going to find something to fill the time I used to spend on the game doing something else. You're running a gambit that the game still looks good and worth the price tag after six months of "something else."

One season of credit for playing 10 consecutive seasons at the terminal end of a world isn't going to cut it. People play the game to win. They won't pay money to sit around and watch the doomsday clock tick down to midnight if they don't feel they have a chance to win in those waning seasons. By the time the terminal season arrives, that world would be a total ghost ship save for only the most elite programs in each division whose human coaches are hoping to win the last championship. Maybe if you jack the postseason credits the final 4 years or so you'd keep interest, otherwise you're writing a recipe for desertion.

Posted by zorzii on 5/2/2017 2:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2017 11:47:00 AM (view original):
You would certainly be in the minority then. As this is a Dynasty game, most people are building something. Despite it's flaws, that's sort of the point. I know you hate the job change procedure but, IMO, it's working like it should in a Dynasty game. Jumping from job to job shouldn't be encouraged. When you take a new job, it should be with the intention of being there awhile. If that's the case, instant success isn't necessary.

In HBD, there is no penalty for one and done owners. But they often leave a pile of crap behind. I think HD is a different beast and the idea of hopping from team to team isn't the intent.

Yeah but we all had to start over. We can do it again. and it's not like I would lose that much since it's a game and I can build something back up in four to five seasons, maybe less if I take over a team owned by someone else, just like I did at John Hopkins D3. The guy did a tremendous job, I just took his gig. You can't do that in D1, you would imply, but to be honest, if it's a new world, nobody will be able to do it either. Just have to speed to your team.

Then I'm not sure why you object to how job change works. You're just starting over when you take a new team.

Posted by rednu on 5/2/2017 3:43:00 PM (view original):
I think you're massively mis-estimating the interest people would have in playing a world that's ticking down to the zero hour and overestimating that the game would actually hold their attention while waiting for the world to reboot at Season 1.

Consider, if you make that announcement that a world will end in Season X, the majority of people who aren't in position to contend for a title by Season X will jump ship -- why pay money in those final 4-5 seasons before the world ends if you know you're in development mode? Why would anyone join such a world? People who give any thought to their money are going to hold off joining anything until after the reboot -- that's money you could have had, but now no longer get. Even if you get them back at the relaunch of the world, you've lost 4-5 seasons of income from them, so you're not "making" anything in the process.

But also consider in those months where the final 4-5 seasons are playing down, some people who leave are going to forget to rejoin. You're going to lose others who find a new outlet for their online entertainment dollars or who find a new hobby that fills the time they used to spend on the game without thinking twice about it. I've been playing the site since '09, but if you told me I had to take a six month sabbatical from it, I'd tell you that your odds are less than 50/50 I return to it because I'm not going to sit around for those six months twiddling my thumbs...I'm going to find something to fill the time I used to spend on the game doing something else. You're running a gambit that the game still looks good and worth the price tag after six months of "something else."

One season of credit for playing 10 consecutive seasons at the terminal end of a world isn't going to cut it. People play the game to win. They won't pay money to sit around and watch the doomsday clock tick down to midnight if they don't feel they have a chance to win in those waning seasons. By the time the terminal season arrives, that world would be a total ghost ship save for only the most elite programs in each division whose human coaches are hoping to win the last championship. Maybe if you jack the postseason credits the final 4 years or so you'd keep interest, otherwise you're writing a recipe for desertion.

You are missing the point. New worlds open...old worlds close on their own timeline. The number of worlds would drift to 12, but then settle back to 10 over a few years. Years!

No "re-launch"...no "reboot." World ends after season 135 or 150...period. If you do not want to join a world with only 5 or 10 seasons remaining...then don't. I suppose, instead of a credit at the end, the price could just decline and no new coaches allowed over the final 6 seasons.

I kinda think you missed his point. Worlds that are being closed on Day-X are going to begin dying way before they're closed. No one is joining a world with 10 seasons left when it takes 6 to get to D1. No one is sticking in a world when they can't rebuild the team before shutdown. No one is changing jobs because we know that a process that can't produce a winner in just a few seasons.

So, when people don't join and others just disappear, waiting for a new world to open, that world suffers and, in all likelihood, HD overall will suffer.

Posted by rednu on 5/2/2017 3:43:00 PM (view original):
I think you're massively mis-estimating the interest people would have in playing a world that's ticking down to the zero hour and overestimating that the game would actually hold their attention while waiting for the world to reboot at Season 1.

Consider, if you make that announcement that a world will end in Season X, the majority of people who aren't in position to contend for a title by Season X will jump ship -- why pay money in those final 4-5 seasons before the world ends if you know you're in development mode? Why would anyone join such a world? People who give any thought to their money are going to hold off joining anything until after the reboot -- that's money you could have had, but now no longer get. Even if you get them back at the relaunch of the world, you've lost 4-5 seasons of income from them, so you're not "making" anything in the process.

But also consider in those months where the final 4-5 seasons are playing down, some people who leave are going to forget to rejoin. You're going to lose others who find a new outlet for their online entertainment dollars or who find a new hobby that fills the time they used to spend on the game without thinking twice about it. I've been playing the site since '09, but if you told me I had to take a six month sabbatical from it, I'd tell you that your odds are less than 50/50 I return to it because I'm not going to sit around for those six months twiddling my thumbs...I'm going to find something to fill the time I used to spend on the game doing something else. You're running a gambit that the game still looks good and worth the price tag after six months of "something else."

One season of credit for playing 10 consecutive seasons at the terminal end of a world isn't going to cut it. People play the game to win. They won't pay money to sit around and watch the doomsday clock tick down to midnight if they don't feel they have a chance to win in those waning seasons. By the time the terminal season arrives, that world would be a total ghost ship save for only the most elite programs in each division whose human coaches are hoping to win the last championship. Maybe if you jack the postseason credits the final 4 years or so you'd keep interest, otherwise you're writing a recipe for desertion.

You're right. Even one new world would drain existing worlds. They over-expanded and now there is no going back.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2017 6:12:00 PM (view original):
I kinda think you missed his point. Worlds that are being closed on Day-X are going to begin dying way before they're closed. No one is joining a world with 10 seasons left when it takes 6 to get to D1. No one is sticking in a world when they can't rebuild the team before shutdown. No one is changing jobs because we know that a process that can't produce a winner in just a few seasons.

So, when people don't join and others just disappear, waiting for a new world to open, that world suffers and, in all likelihood, HD overall will suffer.

Got it. No world ever created can ever close, no new worlds can be created because they would only drain other worlds (even though that is patent bullshit)...all we can do is wait for HD to slowly and painfully die and WIS to simply shut it down. Good plan.

I wish there were a way to close a couple of worlds, and have coaches transfer their existing team to a new world. For example, if you have Rutgers in a world, you could transfer your existing rutgers to a new Rutgers that is empty in another world. If all Rutgers are taken, you could transfer the players to a new team in a new world. Not sure how easy that would be to do, but that would make the worlds more full.

Posted by rogelio on 5/2/2017 10:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2017 6:12:00 PM (view original):
I kinda think you missed his point. Worlds that are being closed on Day-X are going to begin dying way before they're closed. No one is joining a world with 10 seasons left when it takes 6 to get to D1. No one is sticking in a world when they can't rebuild the team before shutdown. No one is changing jobs because we know that a process that can't produce a winner in just a few seasons.

So, when people don't join and others just disappear, waiting for a new world to open, that world suffers and, in all likelihood, HD overall will suffer.

Got it. No world ever created can ever close, no new worlds can be created because they would only drain other worlds (even though that is patent bullshit)...all we can do is wait for HD to slowly and painfully die and WIS to simply shut it down. Good plan.

Sarcasm, not your forte'.

I'm guessing the fact that users would lose interest when their DYNASTY has a pre-determined end goes over your head. And the fact that users won't join a world that has a pre-determined end also escapes you.

Have a good day.

Posted by chapelhillne on 5/2/2017 11:41:00 PM (view original):
I wish there were a way to close a couple of worlds, and have coaches transfer their existing team to a new world. For example, if you have Rutgers in a world, you could transfer your existing rutgers to a new Rutgers that is empty in another world. If all Rutgers are taken, you could transfer the players to a new team in a new world. Not sure how easy that would be to do, but that would make the worlds more full.

They could but they won't. WifS said there was no way to merge HBD worlds but now do it. It's a simple(?) transfer of teams from one world to another. Can't believe it can't be done in HD.

That said, ALL users in those HBD worlds have to agree to it. I'm not sure you'd get that sort of approval in HD. And, if your moved Rutgers team starts crushing the competition, folks in that world would likely be unhappy.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/3/2017 7:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 5/2/2017 10:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2017 6:12:00 PM (view original):
I kinda think you missed his point. Worlds that are being closed on Day-X are going to begin dying way before they're closed. No one is joining a world with 10 seasons left when it takes 6 to get to D1. No one is sticking in a world when they can't rebuild the team before shutdown. No one is changing jobs because we know that a process that can't produce a winner in just a few seasons.

So, when people don't join and others just disappear, waiting for a new world to open, that world suffers and, in all likelihood, HD overall will suffer.

Got it. No world ever created can ever close, no new worlds can be created because they would only drain other worlds (even though that is patent bullshit)...all we can do is wait for HD to slowly and painfully die and WIS to simply shut it down. Good plan.

Sarcasm, not your forte'.

I'm guessing the fact that users would lose interest when their DYNASTY has a pre-determined end goes over your head. And the fact that users won't join a world that has a pre-determined end also escapes you.

Have a good day.

Sarcasm? I don't think that word means what you think it means. Question: if the point is to close a world down, then why would it matter that the final few seasons become a ghost town?

Either WIS closes a world without advance notice, with advance notice, or someday just shuts down HD altogether (undoubtedly without notice). Which do you prefer?

Yeah, I think I know what it means. And my statement is correct. I'll explain.

Got it. No world ever created can ever close, no new worlds can be created because they would only drain other worlds - this is sarcasm
(even though that is patent bullshit) - this is where you screwed it up. You don't explain your sarcastic remark because it loses effect
...all we can do is wait for HD to slowly and painfully die and WIS to simply shut it down. Good plan. - more sarcasm

Hope you learned something today.

Posted by rogelio on 5/3/2017 8:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/3/2017 7:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 5/2/2017 10:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2017 6:12:00 PM (view original):
I kinda think you missed his point. Worlds that are being closed on Day-X are going to begin dying way before they're closed. No one is joining a world with 10 seasons left when it takes 6 to get to D1. No one is sticking in a world when they can't rebuild the team before shutdown. No one is changing jobs because we know that a process that can't produce a winner in just a few seasons.

So, when people don't join and others just disappear, waiting for a new world to open, that world suffers and, in all likelihood, HD overall will suffer.

Got it. No world ever created can ever close, no new worlds can be created because they would only drain other worlds (even though that is patent bullshit)...all we can do is wait for HD to slowly and painfully die and WIS to simply shut it down. Good plan.

Sarcasm, not your forte'.

I'm guessing the fact that users would lose interest when their DYNASTY has a pre-determined end goes over your head. And the fact that users won't join a world that has a pre-determined end also escapes you.

Have a good day.

Sarcasm? I don't think that word means what you think it means. Question: if the point is to close a world down, then why would it matter that the final few seasons become a ghost town?

Either WIS closes a world without advance notice, with advance notice, or someday just shuts down HD altogether (undoubtedly without notice). Which do you prefer?

It matters to those still in that ghost town. The users who have built good teams and would like to see how it plays out. Or, more likely, teams make their run sometime in the last 5-8 seasons before the shutdown and don't renew because there's no point in worrying over recruiting/development of players who'll never matter.

Why do you think worlds need to close or HD shuts down completely?

Not really interested in arguing with you, one of us is completely wrong about the effects of shuttering worlds and neither is going to budge, because it's a pointless exercise.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/3/2017 9:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 5/3/2017 8:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/3/2017 7:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 5/2/2017 10:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/2/2017 6:12:00 PM (view original):
I kinda think you missed his point. Worlds that are being closed on Day-X are going to begin dying way before they're closed. No one is joining a world with 10 seasons left when it takes 6 to get to D1. No one is sticking in a world when they can't rebuild the team before shutdown. No one is changing jobs because we know that a process that can't produce a winner in just a few seasons.

So, when people don't join and others just disappear, waiting for a new world to open, that world suffers and, in all likelihood, HD overall will suffer.

Got it. No world ever created can ever close, no new worlds can be created because they would only drain other worlds (even though that is patent bullshit)...all we can do is wait for HD to slowly and painfully die and WIS to simply shut it down. Good plan.

Sarcasm, not your forte'.

I'm guessing the fact that users would lose interest when their DYNASTY has a pre-determined end goes over your head. And the fact that users won't join a world that has a pre-determined end also escapes you.

Have a good day.

Sarcasm? I don't think that word means what you think it means. Question: if the point is to close a world down, then why would it matter that the final few seasons become a ghost town?

Either WIS closes a world without advance notice, with advance notice, or someday just shuts down HD altogether (undoubtedly without notice). Which do you prefer?

It matters to those still in that ghost town. The users who have built good teams and would like to see how it plays out. Or, more likely, teams make their run sometime in the last 5-8 seasons before the shutdown and don't renew because there's no point in worrying over recruiting/development of players who'll never matter.

Why do you think worlds need to close or HD shuts down completely?

Not really interested in arguing with you, one of us is completely wrong about the effects of shuttering worlds and neither is going to budge, because it's a pointless exercise.

If you are paying attention, we agree on the effects within that world. My position is "who cares?"

Let's take it slow, there's a consensus that:

• The worlds are under-sold;
• A new world, even if it wouldn't fill, would substantially outperform the old worlds for 10-20 seasons.
• 10 worlds given the current user-base is too many, but contracting down to 7 or 8 will indicate failure, no expansion if the user base.
• Merging worlds is a waste of time for the admin. Lots of coaches at each level would be forced to drop their schools. Complaints would have to be addressed manually and piecemeal. HBD commissioners might be willing to do that, but the results are usually poor and no $ is going to be devoted to that crap.

So, my suggestion: open am 11th world, announce that worlds will now close at a certain point, so that users can plan. That will keep the total number of worlds at 10, or even allow admin to let the total drop lower (as new worlds would be announced independently of worlds closing).

Currently, Fox and WIS appear to be willing to work on HD about every 5 years. If the user base doesn't expand, it is hard to imagine any other result than FOX eventually choosing to pull the plug. WIS will not have any incentive to improve the game, and it will coast to a close or just be left as the ghost town that so concerns you now.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/3/2017 8:58:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, I think I know what it means. And my statement is correct. I'll explain.

Got it. No world ever created can ever close, no new worlds can be created because they would only drain other worlds - this is sarcasm
(even though that is patent bullshit) - this is where you screwed it up. You don't explain your sarcastic remark because it loses effect
...all we can do is wait for HD to slowly and painfully die and WIS to simply shut it down. Good plan. - more sarcasm

Hope you learned something today.

Wrong. I was only being sarcastic with "good plan".

The prior sentence, which you found confusing, would be better labeled "mockery". The parenthetical was added due to my concern that you might not follow along. Well founded concern, as it turns out.