This is starting to get ridiculous. As I'm sure some of you remember, last season I got screwed over on landing the Indiana Job in Tark. Here's the thread showing the discussion on that: https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=501094


Well, much to my surprise, after one season the coach who won the job over me didn't renew at IU and the job opened up again. Naturally - I was estatic. I applied for the job again, only to find out this morning I GOT BEAT OUT AGAIN BY A COACH WITH A MUCH WORSE RESUME THAN THE ONE THAT BEAT ME OUT LAST YEAR. Below are the details. I just absolutely cannot fathom how I lost this one.

Robinsmd
Season 125
Georgetown
Div (I) - Big East
Overall Record: 24-7
Conference Record: 11-5
RPI: 14
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
2nd Round

Season 124
Georgetown
Div (I) - Big East
Overall Record: 21-9
Conference Record: 10-6
RPI: 17
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
2nd Round

Season 123
Georgetown
Div (I) - Big East
Overall Record: 18-11
Conference Record: 7-9
RPI: 22
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
1st Round

Season 122
Georgetown
Div (I) - Big East
Overall Record: 20-10
Conference Record: 8-8
RPI: 28
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
1st Round

Season 121
Georgetown
Div (I) - Big East
Overall Record: 14-17
Conference Record: 6-10
RPI: 63
PI Tourny
3rd Round

Season 120
Georgetown
Div (I) - Big East
Overall Record: 11-16
Conference Record: 5-11
RPI: 113

Season 119
Georgetown
Div (I) - Big East
Overall Record: 14-14
Conference Record: 4-12
RPI: 96

Season 118
Mississippi State
Div (I) - SEC
Overall Record: 21-11
Conference Record: 10-6
RPI: 39
PI Tourny
Final Four

Season 117
Mississippi State
Div (I) - SEC
Overall Record: 18-13
Conference Record: 7-9
RPI: 53
PI Tourny
3rd Round

Season 116
Mississippi State
Div (I) - SEC
Overall Record: 16-13
Conference Record: 6-10
RPI: 34
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
1st Round

Steveatdsm
Season 125
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 11-17
Conference Record: 5-11
RPI: 127

Season 124
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 13-15
Conference Record: 7-9
RPI: 143

Season 123
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 20-9
Conference Record: 9-7
RPI: 41
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
1st Round

Season 122
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 18-11
Conference Record: 11-5
RPI: 63
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
1st Round

Season 121
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 21-7
Conference Record: 12-4
RPI: 62
Conference Reg.
Season Champs
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
1st Round

Season 120
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 20-11
Conference Record: 9-7
RPI: 39
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
Sweet 16

Season 119
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 18-10
Conference Record: 9-7
RPI: 33
Nat. Tourny
At-large Bid
Nat. Tourny
1st Round

Season 118
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 18-13
Conference Record: 8-8
RPI: 69
PI Tourny
Final Four

Season 117
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 13-14
Conference Record: 4-12
RPI: 107

Season 116
Northwestern
Div (I) - Big 10
Overall Record: 7-20
Conference Record: 1-15
RPI: 131



I'd love to get everyone else's thought on this. I think I got absolutely screwed yet again and cannot figure out at all the job logic at play here. It makes zero sense.

well, this makes even less sense than the last one. last time i could sort of see it within the game parameters since budlit had no losing seasons in his last ten, and I recalled seble saying somewhere that W-L record was an important criteria for prestige/jobs/etc. this time, steve has 2 losing seasons in his most recent two seasons (as well as a couple others and looks like only 2 NT wins in that period). the losing seasons really ought to be a double whammy against him, since the latest two are also purportedly the two most important seasons in the job decisions process, right?

Hi robinsmd,

Jobs, as everyone knows by know, are based on 4 things; Success, Experience, Loyalty and Reputation.

Loyalty and Reputation here were even for both you and Steveatdsm. You did have the edge on Success, but Steveatdsm has way more experience. Both of you did meet the minimum requirements for the job for Success and Experience, but the amount of experience Steveatdsm had compared to your resume is what led to him getting the job.

It is more common to see the job go to the coach with slightly better success, but when Experience is one-sided like this, the coach with slightly lower success can win the job if Reputation and Loyalty were even, or in their favor, as such in this case.

Thank you.

Wow since when does WIS answer questions on the forums? That's a step in the right direction.

I know of at least a 3rd coach who applied to this job who IMO should have beaten both of them out.

Seldom. It almost never goes well.

I get that people want the school they love in real life, but the Indiana job seems like an uphill struggle in HD.

Posted by WIS_Support on 5/8/2017 10:37:00 AM (view original):
Hi robinsmd,

Jobs, as everyone knows by know, are based on 4 things; Success, Experience, Loyalty and Reputation.

Loyalty and Reputation here were even for both you and Steveatdsm. You did have the edge on Success, but Steveatdsm has way more experience. Both of you did meet the minimum requirements for the job for Success and Experience, but the amount of experience Steveatdsm had compared to your resume is what led to him getting the job.

It is more common to see the job go to the coach with slightly better success, but when Experience is one-sided like this, the coach with slightly lower success can win the job if Reputation and Loyalty were even, or in their favor, as such in this case.

Thank you.

Thanks for this explanation.

Posted by kcsundevil on 5/8/2017 2:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by WIS_Support on 5/8/2017 10:37:00 AM (view original):
Hi robinsmd,

Jobs, as everyone knows by know, are based on 4 things; Success, Experience, Loyalty and Reputation.

Loyalty and Reputation here were even for both you and Steveatdsm. You did have the edge on Success, but Steveatdsm has way more experience. Both of you did meet the minimum requirements for the job for Success and Experience, but the amount of experience Steveatdsm had compared to your resume is what led to him getting the job.

It is more common to see the job go to the coach with slightly better success, but when Experience is one-sided like this, the coach with slightly lower success can win the job if Reputation and Loyalty were even, or in their favor, as such in this case.

Thank you.

Thanks for this explanation.

As WIS is currently revising job logic, I respectfully suggest y'all consider reducing the credit for raw experience to 0. Experience without success seems meaningless.

At the very least, "experience" should be capped at the same 10-season window that "success" is. Someone shouldn't get their foot in the door for having 'X' more seasons than another if we're not also looking at what was accomplished within those seasons.

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2017 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Seldom. It almost never goes well.

From what we've seen, you're also well received in the forums.

Posted by WIS_Support on 5/8/2017 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2017 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Seldom. It almost never goes well.

From what we've seen, you're also well received in the forums.

haha nice.

Posted by WIS_Support on 5/8/2017 3:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 5/8/2017 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Seldom. It almost never goes well.

From what we've seen, you're also well received in the forums.

I keep telling people that you read the forums. This is proof that I'm right.

I'm confused on what "experience" means. CS has always stated resumes only go back 10 seasons-has this changed?

What WiS support, nice to see you troll us because it means youre reading the forums.

Posted by darnoc29099 on 5/8/2017 5:15:00 PM (view original):
I'm confused on what "experience" means. CS has always stated resumes only go back 10 seasons-has this changed?

I was wondering about this as well, both of the coaches had over 10 seasons in D1 so experience shouldn't make a difference.

My understanding is that Experience includes your entire resume for that world. The 10 year window only applies to your Success rating.

That's why this hiring actually makes sense on the surface. The guy who got the job dominates in experience. Even though robins has a better 10 year success rating, that's only 1/4 of the equation. Not saying it's the right way to do things, but if the hiring logic works as they say it does, then this is the way it's going to come out every time.