As to us speaking to Russians regarding our elections, I say no. It should be made quite clear that they steer well clear. They should have zero involvement.

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I'm not saying that Muellers report won't show Trump as the shitstain all of us not named Moy think he is. I expect nothing less than a something that shows Trump is completely entangled with the Russians and colluded with them.

What I am saying is that even with all that, Congress will - not - act on it.

I'd say more but I'd probably get upset, say some inappropriate things, and all3 will run to support again and get me permanently banned.

I have always said Trump is an *******... And that I don't care about that. Show me evidence he did something illegal, concrete evidence, and I'll call him a crook.... But until then he's innocent until proven guilty.

Even in a house full of smoke you won't accept it's fire until you see the flame?

You so hated the previous administration that you're willing to look the other way on all the bumbling, stupid, and dangerous moves this idiot's making. You are just like Ryan. I almost question the loyalty of people like you to the country.

And if concrete evidence comes out you'll criticicize Trump? Doubtful. Because then you'd have to admit you're wrong. No, you and your ilk will do everything in your power to rationalize what he did wasn't criminal.

There's not even smoke unless you listen to CNN or read the Washington Post. You are being a drama queen.

Hardly. You might want to add the New York Times and WSJ in there.

Let me ask you a direct question. Do you think it's possible Trump worked with the Russians during the election?

And managed to keep it secret? Nobody in the intelligence community has it? Nobody leaked it?

Not likely...

FBI said he wasn't a target of investigation. ..The NYT started that. The February story was false, according to Comey.

Intel has been looking into the Russian involvement for a year now. They may yet stumble onto something, but we have yet to see a smoking gun.

Is why I don't think impeachment talk is fair at this point.

I will be here. Please let me know if/when something concrete comes to light. If he's guilty, I want him removed...

Our Republic is more important than any political agenda.

Nixon probably knew about the break in. He certainly was involved in the coverup. He deserved what he got.

Until there is proof of a crime involving Trump, this ain't Watergate...

Is your name Moy?

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Posted by sjpoker on 6/10/2017 3:50:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying that Muellers report won't show Trump as the shitstain all of us not named Moy think he is. I expect nothing less than a something that shows Trump is completely entangled with the Russians and colluded with them.

What I am saying is that even with all that, Congress will - not - act on it.

I'd say more but I'd probably get upset, say some inappropriate things, and all3 will run to support again and get me permanently banned.

I have always said Trump is an *******... And that I don't care about that. Show me evidence he did something illegal, concrete evidence, and I'll call him a crook.... But until then he's innocent until proven guilty.

Even in a house full of smoke you won't accept it's fire until you see the flame?

You so hated the previous administration that you're willing to look the other way on all the bumbling, stupid, and dangerous moves this idiot's making. You are just like Ryan. I almost question the loyalty of people like you to the country.

And if concrete evidence comes out you'll criticicize Trump? Doubtful. Because then you'd have to admit you're wrong. No, you and your ilk will do everything in your power to rationalize what he did wasn't criminal.

There's not even smoke unless you listen to CNN or read the Washington Post. You are being a drama queen.

Hardly. You might want to add the New York Times and WSJ in there.

Let me ask you a direct question. Do you think it's possible Trump worked with the Russians during the election?

Anything is possible. However, working with Russians is not illegal. There's no law that says one can't coordinate election efforts with a foreign government.

And you'd be comfortable with this- if - it comes to light?

Obey and Enforce the law. If you do not like the law, change it, legally.

Btw - Obama helped try and overthrow Netanyahu during the Israel elections. Look it up.

I didn't ask you any of that.

I asked you specifically: If - it was proven Trump worked directly with the Russians to derail the election and win, legal or otherwise, would you be comfortable with that?

Bob, years ago I would agree with you regarding the GOP and their lack of concern for the poor. The Democrats seemed to offer a better deal.

That has changed. Democrats only care for the wealthy and the special interest groups. Poverty stricken people weren't helped by Obama. All he did was expand entitlements. There was no helping them out of poverty, only keeping them where they were. If Trump can get businesses to create jobs, they will have opportunity to rise up. All involved would be better off.

The percentage of people requiring government assistance is staggering. We can do better.

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Posted by sjpoker on 6/10/2017 3:50:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying that Muellers report won't show Trump as the shitstain all of us not named Moy think he is. I expect nothing less than a something that shows Trump is completely entangled with the Russians and colluded with them.

What I am saying is that even with all that, Congress will - not - act on it.

I'd say more but I'd probably get upset, say some inappropriate things, and all3 will run to support again and get me permanently banned.

I have always said Trump is an *******... And that I don't care about that. Show me evidence he did something illegal, concrete evidence, and I'll call him a crook.... But until then he's innocent until proven guilty.

Even in a house full of smoke you won't accept it's fire until you see the flame?

You so hated the previous administration that you're willing to look the other way on all the bumbling, stupid, and dangerous moves this idiot's making. You are just like Ryan. I almost question the loyalty of people like you to the country.

And if concrete evidence comes out you'll criticicize Trump? Doubtful. Because then you'd have to admit you're wrong. No, you and your ilk will do everything in your power to rationalize what he did wasn't criminal.

There's not even smoke unless you listen to CNN or read the Washington Post. You are being a drama queen.

Hardly. You might want to add the New York Times and WSJ in there.

Let me ask you a direct question. Do you think it's possible Trump worked with the Russians during the election?

Anything is possible. However, working with Russians is not illegal. There's no law that says one can't coordinate election efforts with a foreign government.

And you'd be comfortable with this- if - it comes to light?

Obey and Enforce the law. If you do not like the law, change it, legally.

Btw - Obama helped try and overthrow Netanyahu during the Israel elections. Look it up.

I didn't ask you any of that.

I asked you specifically: If - it was proven Trump worked directly with the Russians to derail the election and win, legal or otherwise, would you be comfortable with that?

No.

Posted by laramiebob on 6/10/2017 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Doc, IF the allegations are true........ it's far far worse than watergate. Even John Dean (Nixon's former atty.) has declared that. So has Karl Rove, McCain and others. No Republican wants to jump too soon, that's understood, but they'll jump, just as soon as the drips add up to stream of evidence.

Just wait until Coates and Rogers admit under oath (in a private closed session) that they too were asked by Trump if there was anything they could do to make the Flynn investigation go away. Their open testimony made it very clear they also were asked.......... but not pressured LOL.

What a joke! When the POTUS "hopes" you'll do something, that IS a directive. It is that way in ANY organization when the BOSS says I hope you'll get something done. You work for me and I tell you I hope you can finish a task and then you ignore me and don't do it and I'd fire you immediately!
So would just about any other business owner. Comey was dead right and completely candid about taking those words as a "directive".

Arguments to the contrary are just desperate spin.

There's nothing illegal about 'asking' anyone if there's something they can do to make any investigation go away. They all said he didn't pressure them.

...also it is not illegal for the president to DIRECT the FBI to drop a case.


Keep fishing!!!

Posted by laramiebob on 6/10/2017 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Doc, IF the allegations are true........ it's far far worse than watergate. Even John Dean (Nixon's former atty.) has declared that. So has Karl Rove, McCain and others. No Republican wants to jump too soon, that's understood, but they'll jump, just as soon as the drips add up to stream of evidence.

Just wait until Coates and Rogers admit under oath (in a private closed session) that they too were asked by Trump if there was anything they could do to make the Flynn investigation go away. Their open testimony made it very clear they also were asked.......... but not pressured LOL.

What a joke! When the POTUS "hopes" you'll do something, that IS a directive. It is that way in ANY organization when the BOSS says I hope you'll get something done. You work for me and I tell you I hope you can finish a task and then you ignore me and don't do it and I'd fire you immediately!
So would just about any other business owner. Comey was dead right and completely candid about taking those words as a "directive".

Arguments to the contrary are just desperate spin.

Im sorry but there is absolutely nothing out there that tells me that the Republican leadership is 'just waiting' to act. Not sure where you are seeing that.

And hanging your hat on the whole 'I'd hope' comment as the key to an impeachment is wishful thinking. Comparing that exchange to the Nixon/Haldeman taped exchange is night and day.

IF the Republicans were motivated to dump Trump then maybe they'd go for it. Otherwise there'd need to be a lot more than that.

The IRS targeting, theoretically, could have had an impact on the 2012 election. That was my biggest complaint regarding that. Funny how that didn't get this much attention...can you imagine Trump using the IRS similarly? That'd get people off the couch...

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Posted by sjpoker on 6/10/2017 3:50:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying that Muellers report won't show Trump as the shitstain all of us not named Moy think he is. I expect nothing less than a something that shows Trump is completely entangled with the Russians and colluded with them.

What I am saying is that even with all that, Congress will - not - act on it.

I'd say more but I'd probably get upset, say some inappropriate things, and all3 will run to support again and get me permanently banned.

I have always said Trump is an *******... And that I don't care about that. Show me evidence he did something illegal, concrete evidence, and I'll call him a crook.... But until then he's innocent until proven guilty.

Even in a house full of smoke you won't accept it's fire until you see the flame?

You so hated the previous administration that you're willing to look the other way on all the bumbling, stupid, and dangerous moves this idiot's making. You are just like Ryan. I almost question the loyalty of people like you to the country.

And if concrete evidence comes out you'll criticicize Trump? Doubtful. Because then you'd have to admit you're wrong. No, you and your ilk will do everything in your power to rationalize what he did wasn't criminal.

There's not even smoke unless you listen to CNN or read the Washington Post. You are being a drama queen.

Hardly. You might want to add the New York Times and WSJ in there.

Let me ask you a direct question. Do you think it's possible Trump worked with the Russians during the election?

Anything is possible. However, working with Russians is not illegal. There's no law that says one can't coordinate election efforts with a foreign government.

And you'd be comfortable with this- if - it comes to light?

Obey and Enforce the law. If you do not like the law, change it, legally.

Btw - Obama helped try and overthrow Netanyahu during the Israel elections. Look it up.

I didn't ask you any of that.

I asked you specifically: If - it was proven Trump worked directly with the Russians to derail the election and win, legal or otherwise, would you be comfortable with that?

Waiting for your direct response to this Moy.

Doc. I don't think I even disagree with your characterization of the Dems. BUT, at least they pretend to care about the needy.
Are many of their ideas and policies ineffective in actually attacking the problem?, sure! But giving more to the wealthy, and expecting them to share it with the less fortunate (trickle down economics) is a proven failure. A continuing and widening divide between those that have at the top and those that don't have enough (an ever increasing portion of the citizenry) is a sure fire recipe to continuing division and the ultimate collapse of our great Country.

The republicans are fiddling away pretending there is nothing wrong, while the nation is headed into chaos and ruin.
And as the repugnants control all the branches of Gov't now, they'll have only themselves to blame. As will the general public affix the blame to them!
They have the House, They have the Senate, They have the White House, they even have their own Network (FOX)..............

so why are things in such a mess in the present admin.?? The Dems sure don't have any power within the admin. and leadership levels in Congress.
It's quite apparent, as Rove said......... he is clearly NOT up to the job. He won't read briefings, he won't listen to expert advise (stop tweeting and STFU!), he won't seek knowledge about dicey issues (He knows more than the Generals!), he's a gigantic fool of the highest order and he's making our Country the laughing stock of the globe. Our allies can't even trust us with info and as stated by Merkel they no longer even look to us for leadership and assistance if a conflict erupted.

Americans intelligence has been totally destroyed by idiotic cultural fads like Reality TV, which totally opiates the masses with stupidity and crass mass manipulation. American Idol, Dancing with the Stars, The Apprentice, etc............. give me a break!! This isn't quality art in any way. It's all about pretending! Virtual reality. Get it! It ain't real, folks! Nobody on American Idol has a whit of real talent compared with REAL artists and musicians. It's all FAKE! Just like Trump's business ability. Fake!

You are either in favor of free and fair elections, or you aren't. You can't look the other way when your party does underhanded stuff. At that point you are a hack, and can kiss my arse. We can debate voter iD laws, voter suppression, gerrymandering another day. But crap will continue until people stand united against anything that affects voting or contributing fairly.

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Posted by laramiebob on 6/10/2017 4:49:00 PM (view original):
The House decides if the charges should be referred to the Senate for an impeachment "trial". In Clinton's case they did that. In the case of Nixon he was informed by senior party members that he was certain to be impeached, so he resigned.

Anyone defending chump who resorts to calling anyone who sees things differently a "lib" or a liberal is just A CHUMPIE troll.
I own multiple guns, believe strongly in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (ALL of them) and am about as far from a liberal (the way YOU mean it) as you can get. Those with no real logic or reason to support their arguments always resort to calling folks names like liberal. Just like the limited intellect, unethical hero they champion. Dumb and gutless. Bluster and call names. Just like chump!

Just reread this... Does anyone see the hypocrisy/irony?

Those with no real logic or reason to support their arguments always resort to calling folks names like liberal. Just like the limited intellect, unethical hero they champion. Dumb and gutless. Bluster and call names. Just like chump!

He's probably funny, unintended, but too long-winded.

And there's zero chance he gets what you're saying.

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Posted by sjpoker on 6/10/2017 3:50:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying that Muellers report won't show Trump as the shitstain all of us not named Moy think he is. I expect nothing less than a something that shows Trump is completely entangled with the Russians and colluded with them.

What I am saying is that even with all that, Congress will - not - act on it.

I'd say more but I'd probably get upset, say some inappropriate things, and all3 will run to support again and get me permanently banned.

I have always said Trump is an *******... And that I don't care about that. Show me evidence he did something illegal, concrete evidence, and I'll call him a crook.... But until then he's innocent until proven guilty.

Even in a house full of smoke you won't accept it's fire until you see the flame?

You so hated the previous administration that you're willing to look the other way on all the bumbling, stupid, and dangerous moves this idiot's making. You are just like Ryan. I almost question the loyalty of people like you to the country.

And if concrete evidence comes out you'll criticicize Trump? Doubtful. Because then you'd have to admit you're wrong. No, you and your ilk will do everything in your power to rationalize what he did wasn't criminal.

There's not even smoke unless you listen to CNN or read the Washington Post. You are being a drama queen.

Hardly. You might want to add the New York Times and WSJ in there.

Let me ask you a direct question. Do you think it's possible Trump worked with the Russians during the election?

Anything is possible. However, working with Russians is not illegal. There's no law that says one can't coordinate election efforts with a foreign government.

And you'd be comfortable with this- if - it comes to light?

Obey and Enforce the law. If you do not like the law, change it, legally.

Btw - Obama helped try and overthrow Netanyahu during the Israel elections. Look it up.

I didn't ask you any of that.

I asked you specifically: If - it was proven Trump worked directly with the Russians to derail the election and win, legal or otherwise, would you be comfortable with that?

You act so surprised.... This wouldn't be the first time for these kind of presidential accusations.

Reagan was accused of irangate (intra-contra affair). Bill Clinton was accused of accepting campaign money from the Chinese (chinagate). I mentioned Obama tampering in foreign elections.

I'm not that uncomfortable with Trump LEGALLY working with the Russians that it would change my vote.... Or even get me off my couch to try and change the law regarding this. I seem to remember Hillary Clinton and her Foundation had their paws in just about every corrupt foreign government on this planet.

What reason would we want or need with the Russians regarding our election? That don't make no sense, dude...

You gotta rethink that one. No one outside our borders should have ANY involvement...could you think of a reason why the Brits would want us involved in theirs?