Posted by MikeT23 on 6/13/2017 1:19:00 PM (view original):
I don't know. I thought the whole concept of marriage was to prevent bastard children from coming into this world. If you're not going to reproduce, maybe you don't need to be married.

If you're a non-believer, or a Muslim, or Buddhist, or whatever, a manger scene is nothing more than a prop. Why would anyone object to a prop? It's certainly not so overwhelming that you should question your belief.

"Trump" looked like nothing more than a logo. Like a little alligator or dude riding a horse. For all I know, Trump made that shirt. If so, you know he put his name on it.

- Maybe you don't need to decide who does and does not need to be married?

- I think it's reasonable for someone who doesn't belong to religion A to object to the government endorsing religion A.

- If it's just a logo, how are anyone's beliefs being forced on someone else?

Just saying why I think the institution of marriage was invented.

Is it an endorsement? If you don't believe in Baby Jesus, it's just a dumb prop.

I don't know, I'm just reporting the news. Let me see if I can find a pic.

Posted by laramiebob on 6/13/2017 1:22:00 PM (view original):
Wow. Some of you are nuts. I tell an (admittedly) long winded story observing that some of the MSM slants, opines, and lies rather than report news fairly (calling out BOTH sides who do it) and I get attacked as a liar and called a Trump guy. LOL.

Anybody who can read can see I've been calling Trump out everywhere on here. I even went on record saying he'd resign or be impeached by the 2018 mid-term elections!!

Call me any thing you want but when you can't even get which side you're on right, it kinda just underscores my point.
You wanna hate just to hate, without even understanding who it is you hate.
I'd feel sorry for you but it appears you're too dumb to waste my time further.

Now you see the problem for moderates. Any criticism of the MSM immediately draws a visceral reaction from the liberals. Just like any criticism of Trump draws a visceral reaction from, well, just Moy... but you get my point.

Sure, but again, what does that have to do with beliefs being forced? Gays get married. So do straight people. If you don't believe in gay marriage, you are free not to get gay married.

Or, instead of a prop, it's symbol of another religion. It's the same argument that got the 10 commandments tossed out of courthouses. Again, everyone is free to believe whatever they want but the government is everyone, not just Christians. Go ahead and put mangers on private property.

I don't need a pic. I need you to explain how the photo edit is "forcing someone's beliefs on someone else."

Well, I guess marriage was for a man and woman for centuries(under, I assume, procreation purposes). Then it was changed due to a certain set of beliefs. Is that NOT forcing beliefs? Seems like it is.

You're free to not look at that prop. As I said, if you question your beliefs because you're looking at some plastic figures, you got belief problems.

The photo edit removed a name of a right wing figure. Dude wanted to wear that shirt. Editor decided he didn't like that shirt.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/13/2017 1:57:00 PM (view original):
Well, I guess marriage was for a man and woman for centuries(under, I assume, procreation purposes). Then it was changed due to a certain set of beliefs. Is that NOT forcing beliefs? Seems like it is.

You're free to not look at that prop. As I said, if you question your beliefs because you're looking at some plastic figures, you got belief problems.

The photo edit removed a name of a right wing figure. Dude wanted to wear that shirt. Editor decided he didn't like that shirt.

No, that is not forcing beliefs on anyone.

And I say, if you question your beliefs because there isn't a manger on public property, you got belief problems.

Or a school decided it had a blanket policy against politics in the yearbook.

Sound argument. Marriage was for a man/woman for centuries. The law was changed because of the belief, of some, that marriage should be consenting adults and not much else. Hmmmm.....sure sounds like a belief being forced upon the rest of the population.

Fair enough. Guess there's no harm in them being there since anyone who needs it, or despises it, has problems.

Seems like if such a policy existed, this would not be news. And said teacher from tec's link would not have been suspended. No?

I just checked my son's senior yearbook. No political t-shirts, but two seniors had Trump quotes. One had a Bernie quote. Hillary was shut out.

One senior's quote snuck through the editors. It was "Fluorine uranium carbon potassium bismuth technetium helium sulfur germanium thulium oxygen neon yttrium". Wonder why they didn't run that one past the chemistry teacher to decipher?

I think we should establish that "forcing beliefs on someone else" requires that "someone else" actually has to implement a change in their life due to the "forced belief."

Example 1:

Ending segregation forced the belief that blacks should have equal access on whites who disagreed. Whites could no longer go to white only facilities, schools, restaurants, etc.

Example 2:

Ending the ban on interracial marriage did not force any beliefs on anyone else. People who were against interracial marriage could still not participate in an interracial marriage.

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/13/2017 2:13:00 PM (view original):
Sound argument. Marriage was for a man/woman for centuries. The law was changed because of the belief, of some, that marriage should be consenting adults and not much else. Hmmmm.....sure sounds like a belief being forced upon the rest of the population.

Fair enough. Guess there's no harm in them being there since anyone who needs it, or despises it, has problems.

Seems like if such a policy existed, this would not be news. And said teacher from tec's link would not have been suspended. No?

Let's compare. Which of these is more forceful:

Allowing people who want to get married to get married.

Preventing people who want to get married from getting married.

I think you should get back on topic despite it turning against you.

Marriage was for a man/woman for centuries. The law was changed because of the belief, of some, that marriage should be consenting adults and not much else. Hmmmm.....sure sounds like a belief being forced upon the rest of the population.

Guess there's no harm in them being there since anyone who needs it, or despises it, has problems.

Seems like if such a policy existed, this would not be news. And said teacher from tec's link would not have been suspended. No?

It's not off topic. The topic is "forced beliefs on others."

Posted by tecwrg on 6/13/2017 1:58:00 PM (view original):
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/high-school-teacher-suspended-after-trump-logos-removed-yearbook-n771486

If the teacher got in trouble for it, it wasn't school policy. It was one guy breaking the rules. Doesn't seem like a great example of forcing beliefs.