Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2017 12:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2017 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2017 11:35:00 AM (view original):
It's stupid to oppose SSM because it has exactly zero impact on you if you are not gay. Just like it's stupid to oppose interracial marriage or what time your neighbor decides to go to sleep at night.

It is not stupid to oppose gun control, abortion, drug legalization.

Are you under the impression that all issues have equally valid arguments on both sides? Can you imagine a topic where it would be clearly stupid to publicly voice a certain opinion?

First, I'm going to disagree with your view on SSM. If one has a religious belief that homosexuality is a sin, that is what they believe. It's an affront to their way of life. That's just the way it is and it's not your place to judge. You don't have to agree but your disagreement does NOT make their opinion "stupid".

Second, IMO, my statement can easily be applied to abortion. If you feel a human life is being taken, that's how you feel. It is not invalidated by my opinion or anyone else's. Gun ownership and use of drugs are personal liberties that are certainly on a smaller scale than any sort of religious belief opinion. I think you know this.

That's a bit of a silly question. "Is rape OK? Yes, of course" is a tough argument to make. And stating that it is publicly is a pretty stupid thing to do.

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First, I'm going to disagree with your view on SSM. If one has a religious belief that homosexuality is a sin, that is what they believe. It's an affront to their way of life. That's just the way it is and it's not your place to judge. You don't have to agree but your disagreement does NOT make their opinion "stupid".

Some people believe that interracial marriage is a sin. It's an affront to their way of life. You can believe whatever you want. But if you choose to voice that opinion publicly, everyone else gets to voice their opinion of you publicly.

Second, IMO, my statement can easily be applied to abortion. If you feel a human life is being taken, that's how you feel. It is not invalidated by my opinion or anyone else's.

I think there is a reasonable argument for being against abortion based on the idea that you're protecting a life. I disagree with it, but I wouldn't call someone stupid for voicing that opinion.

That's a bit of a silly question. "Is rape OK? Yes, of course" is a tough argument to make. And stating that it is publicly is a pretty stupid thing to do.

Right. There was a time in the not too distant past that things like racism and rape were not looked at by society as terrible things. Lucky for us, we've moved to a point where when people who hold certain opinions express those opinions publicly, other people react accordingly. Which is why tec was "viciously attacked" for stating that he is against SSM. He's free to believe whatever he wants but when he decides to make that belief public, other people get to express their opinions of his belief.

1. Some people believe that interracial marriage is a sin. It's an affront to their way of life. You can believe whatever you want. But if you choose to voice that opinion publicly, everyone else gets to voice their opinion of you publicly. I imagine some do. And I imagine I'll pull up short of calling their opinion "stupid". They have a reason to believe what they believe. The simple fact that I disagree with a viewpoint does not make the other side "stupid". The same applies to you.

2. I think there is a reasonable argument for being against abortion based on the idea that you're protecting a life. I disagree with it, but I wouldn't call someone stupid for voicing that opinion. I know this will come as a shock to you but, just because you think an opinion is reasonable, it doesn't mean any other opinion is "unreasonable". Apply that to the above.

3. Right. There was a time in the not too distant past that things like racism and rape were not looked at by society as terrible things. Lucky for us, we've moved to a point where when people who hold certain opinions express those opinions publicly, other people react accordingly. Which is why tec was "viciously attacked" for stating that he is against SSM. He's free to believe whatever he wants but when he decides to make that belief public, other people get to express their opinions of his belief. But is it "stupid" to have that opinion? Because I'm sure you know that you stated it was.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2017 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2017 10:37:00 AM (view original):
Who decides which opinions should always be met with disdain? Are you the arbiter of that?

I don't know who decides, but you agree that those exist, right?

no. opinions are all someone's valid opinions. You or I (or Moy) may not agree with those opinions, but that does not make them any less valid to whoever holds those opinions. Just because an opinion doesn't make much sense to you, that does not make it a stupid opinion or worthy of disdain.

I already said the "Rape is OK" opinion is pretty stupid. I don't believe you've ever actually stated it but I've long assumed you're an atheist. So I fully expect you to believe any religion-based opinion is "stupid". Which is not very tolerant of you. Which is where this entire line of discussion began. The liberal party is supposed to be accepting of all. They are not.

other than rapists does anyone actually think rape is okay?

also, there is no liberal party.

Will you fight to change a law that will require me to be stupid? Because, for now, that's just your opinion. When you force it to happen, yep, you're forcing your beliefs on me.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2017 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2017 12:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2017 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 6/14/2017 10:37:00 AM (view original):
Who decides which opinions should always be met with disdain? Are you the arbiter of that?

I don't know who decides, but you agree that those exist, right?

I'll agree that this discussion has gone off track from where is started, as once again, you try to deflect discussions that are not going your way down a rat hole.

It started by my pointing out that the left is just as guilty as the right of trying to force their belief system onto others.

You argue "no they, don't", but every attempt to back that up ends up being an example of you insisting that your/the lefts interpretation of issue "x" is correct, and that anybody who disagrees is wrong. The underlying theme of which is "if you want to be on the correct side, then you need to believe what we believe. If you don't, you're a bad person or you're just stupid".

Which is just a tactic to try to force your belief system onto others.

Are we done here?

Again, you can believe whatever you want. No one says you have to believe anything. But if you choose to voice your belief, other people get to voice their response to your belief. It goes both ways.

Allowing gays to marry does not impact your beliefs. You aren't gay. You aren't going to get gay married. You aren't going to be prevented from remaining in a heterosexual marriage. Nothing changes for you. Nothing has been forced on you.

Let's play that game, since you insist.

Banning abortion does not impact your beliefs. You're not a woman. You're physically incapable of getting pregnant, therefore you're never going to have an abortion. Nothing changes for you if abortion is banned in this country. Nothing has been forced on you.

You good with that?

Posted by bad_luck on 6/14/2017 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/14/2017 1:17:00 PM (view original):
Will you fight to change a law that will require me to be stupid? Because, for now, that's just your opinion. When you force it to happen, yep, you're forcing your beliefs on me.

What are you being required to do when SSM became legal?

Me? Nothing. I don't give a ****. But, if I was all "The institution of marriage is being bastardized. Marriage was created for a MAN and a WOMAN!!!", I'd be required to accept that all I've held near and dear about marriage is no longer valid.

I also am assuming that you're white. Therefore, any laws or issues with the legal system in the US that discriminate against black people do not affect your belief system. You're not black. Discriminatory laws against black people do not affect you directly. Nothing changes for you by discriminatory laws against blacks. Nothing has been forced on you.

You also good with that?