If this guy is on an Elite 8 DI compeating team, what position would you play him? Backup 1/2 or 2/3 of the bench is an option I am willing to consider. Also, if your answer is that it depends on how high the VH passing goes that's cool also.

Ath: 100
Sp: 66
Reb: 32
De: 100
Sb: 34
Lp: 40
Pe: 66
Bh: 100
Pa: 78-100
St: 94
Free Throw: B

If the speed was High 64 instead of Very Low 64, I would NOT have been able to sign this guy.

Installment two:

What about this guy? 3, 4, or 5?

Ath: 77
Sp: 56
REB: 91
De: 98
Sb: 82
Lp: 100
Pe: 71
Bh: 87
Pa: 81
St: 72

Again, the speed is the odd factor here.

What system does the team run?

Man motion. Usually uptempo but I'm happy to change that if you think it would help with guys at lower positions.

Player one depends on the passing 85+ is a 1/2, while less than 85 is a 2/3 IMO. If you have a better talent run him at backup. Otherwise start him. With his ATH and DEF you can probably rotate him to square off against the others teams top player if you run a M2M.

Player two is a four for me. If you have a good ATH and 90+ REB center with him then you can rotate your SF based on matchups. A guard can play the 3 against three guard teams or teams perimeter based. A better re-bounder can play the 3 against power inside teams. If you are deep enough to start two 90+ re-bounders you can really give you some flexibility with the rest of the lineup.

However the 3 is a swing position on my teams. Not everyone does that so it depends on your vision and style you want for your team.

The first guy isn't a point guard. I would play him at the 2 or 3.

the second guy could play anywhere from 3-5 but isnt a starter on an e8 type team in my opinion.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 7/6/2017 12:25:00 AM (view original):
The first guy isn't a point guard. I would play him at the 2 or 3.

the second guy could play anywhere from 3-5 but isnt a starter on an e8 type team in my opinion.

Thanks for the help! Believe it or not, the second guy is the number 4 recruit in the country.

First guy is speed deficient and it's a shame. I would play him at 3 and if he has good ft rating, get him good distro.

Second is a back-up or starter at 3 or 4, but I like him at 4 as a starter and crank up the distro also. If you are man to man, the speed won't be that important.

Would you consider "B" free throw good?

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/6/2017 10:35:00 AM (view original):
Would you consider "B" free throw good?

Sufficient

Posted by cubcub113 on 7/6/2017 8:51:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 7/6/2017 12:25:00 AM (view original):
The first guy isn't a point guard. I would play him at the 2 or 3.

the second guy could play anywhere from 3-5 but isnt a starter on an e8 type team in my opinion.

Thanks for the help! Believe it or not, the second guy is the number 4 recruit in the country.

He looks a lot like the guy I am grooming for the 4 at Fordham.
My guy will be:

ME:

ATH: 80
SPEED:65
REBOUNDING:85
DEFENSE: 100
Shot Block: 90
LP:100
PER:25
BH: 70
Pass: 70

YOU:
Ath: 77
Sp: 56
REB: 91
De: 98
Sb: 82
Lp: 100
Pe: 71
Bh: 87
Pa: 81
St: 72
He's gonna start for me but I don't think I have an E8 caliber team.

First guy is a good player, it borderline starter for elite 8 type team. I haven't had a guy like him start for me in years. Too slow, and doesn't rebound or shoot. If he was either fast or a rebounder he starts and performs well, He doesn't hurt you, but borderline starter at the three (I run press though and need speed) at EE level school. He would be solid backup at three or a starter you can hide on O and won't hurt you at the three.

Second guy. Not good enough athlete or speed for that level but could be ok if you needed a tenth man type at 4-5. Scorer/ rebounder off the bench getting 12-15 minutes a game?

"Second guy. Not good enough athlete or speed for that level but could be ok if you needed a tenth man type at 4-5. Scorer/ rebounder off the bench getting 12-15 minutes a game?"

Stew are you saying that to be super competitive at D1 your post players NEED a 90+ ATH and the 4 and 5 need SPEED greater than 60? Is the speed thing just for press?

I'd start the first guy at the 2 if I had someone who could shoot from the outside at the 1 or the 3, or at the 3 if you have enough team rebounding. if you're loaded he could be a good candidate to backup both 2/3.

IMO the 2nd guy would ideally be a backup at the 4, though with high IQ and an elite supporting cast he could probably start. for a team with high expectations hopefully he wouldn't see too many minutes at the 3 with his speed, but he could probably be servicable there as a backup. i wouldn't mind having him get minutes at the 4 or 5 as a backup either. he's the kind of guy i might plugin as a 3rd option at 3/4/5 for an elite team.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 7/7/2017 8:51:00 AM (view original):
"Second guy. Not good enough athlete or speed for that level but could be ok if you needed a tenth man type at 4-5. Scorer/ rebounder off the bench getting 12-15 minutes a game?"

Stew are you saying that to be super competitive at D1 your post players NEED a 90+ ATH and the 4 and 5 need SPEED greater than 60? Is the speed thing just for press?

If you are one of the top 8 teams in D1, yes. Everyone should be around 90 or above athlete and defender. To be a top 8 team.

As for speed at the 4/5, not necessary but really helps a press team get to that level. I think you can make up for a lack of athleticism with some extra speed, or vice versa. But to be weak in BOTH of those levels, he does not have a large role on an elite D1 team. Does that make sense? If he was 75 ath and 75 speed with those rebounding/ defensive numbers, I wouldn't hesitate putting him in as much. My ideal 4 has 90+ Ath and 60 speed but 90/50 works just fine as a baseline for either the 4 or 5. 77/ 50 or even 77/60 doesn't do it for me. Not to be elite and I know this sounds snobby but that was the question.

First guy does not have the speed for a 1,2, or three at D1 top eight. Particularly for a press team. It he makes up for it in other areas he could be a valuable contributor as a backup or spot start at the 3 for a man to man. He could have trouble against certain matchups where the 3 he's guarding is real fast running an O/D that would exploit him but no team is perfect any more. He could start at the three occasionally and definitely backup there and typically excel.

one more note on second guy- his biggest strength is his scoring. His lack of athleticism and speed will not allow him to score efficiently against most high level D1 starters. This is why I think he could be a good bench player for you there in certain matchups where the backup is not a great athlete or defender. He definitely can score well against lower athletes but that strength will be mitigated against most high-level D1 starters. So bench guy who will perform well scoring against the right matchups.