Posted by tecwrg on 8/10/2017 4:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2017 4:16:00 PM (view original):
I think what we can agree on is that the south seceded mostly because of slavery, but the Union fought the south for reasons other than slavery.

DING, DING, DING, DING!!!!

We have a winner.

Now can we get the whole 'Lincoln=Saddam' thing out of the way, and the whole 'Lincoln killed 600,000 americans' out of the way?

you fellas would argue over a turd

It's not a turd dammit!

A MikeT23 deflection from the Dump disaster, hope tangplay learned his lesson about MikeT.

bad_luck still goes for it.

Posted by bagchucker on 8/10/2017 5:32:00 PM (view original):
you fellas would argue over a turd

I agree, I really should stop arguing over Mike

Posted by laramiebob on 8/10/2017 5:37:00 PM (view original):
It's not a turd dammit!

looks like a turd, smells like a turd. Its a turd!

QUACK

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/10/2017 8:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagchucker on 8/10/2017 5:32:00 PM (view original):
you fellas would argue over a turd

I was simply pointing out to the "LINCOLN FREED SLAVES!!!! HE'S THE BESTEST!!!!" folk that it came with a heavy price. 600,000+ American lives and he didn't even FREE THE SLAVES!!!! until after all those Americans were dead.

There is a reason for that. Lincoln didn't 'free the slaves' for a reason. He would have lost the border states to the CSA and not actually freed any slaves in the process had he done it in 1861. Again, you assume that Lincoln had a 'good choice' to make. He did not. Mike has not said what he would rather lincoln have done, or admitted that we don't live in a dream world

Is this the point where BL comes back and insists that the Civil War was only about slavery, or does that come later?

Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2017 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/10/2017 8:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagchucker on 8/10/2017 5:32:00 PM (view original):
you fellas would argue over a turd

I was simply pointing out to the "LINCOLN FREED SLAVES!!!! HE'S THE BESTEST!!!!" folk that it came with a heavy price. 600,000+ American lives and he didn't even FREE THE SLAVES!!!! until after all those Americans were dead.

There is a reason for that. Lincoln didn't 'free the slaves' for a reason. He would have lost the border states to the CSA and not actually freed any slaves in the process had he done it in 1861. Again, you assume that Lincoln had a 'good choice' to make. He did not. Mike has not said what he would rather lincoln have done, or admitted that we don't live in a dream world

This. Once the south seceded, war was inevitable.

Unfortunately, Mike is content living in his ignorant world, so he blocked me for zero reason XD

Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2017 9:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2017 9:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/10/2017 8:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagchucker on 8/10/2017 5:32:00 PM (view original):
you fellas would argue over a turd

I was simply pointing out to the "LINCOLN FREED SLAVES!!!! HE'S THE BESTEST!!!!" folk that it came with a heavy price. 600,000+ American lives and he didn't even FREE THE SLAVES!!!! until after all those Americans were dead.

There is a reason for that. Lincoln didn't 'free the slaves' for a reason. He would have lost the border states to the CSA and not actually freed any slaves in the process had he done it in 1861. Again, you assume that Lincoln had a 'good choice' to make. He did not. Mike has not said what he would rather lincoln have done, or admitted that we don't live in a dream world

This. Once the south seceded, war was inevitable.

Once you decide war is inevitable, you've lost your decency as a human being.

Lincoln won the election in November. The South started seceding in December. Lincoln took office in March. The Civil War started in April. The Great Negotiator. Terrible President that killed 600,000+ Americans without seeking a better option.

And I blocked tangplay because he KNOWS what would have happened 157 years ago. Speculative nonsense I'd rather not deal with.

Posted by bronxcheer on 8/10/2017 6:00:00 PM (view original):
A MikeT23 deflection from the Dump disaster, hope tangplay learned his lesson about MikeT.

bad_luck still goes for it.

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