I don't think chapel is coming across as being entitled. I take his comment as one stemming from confusion. Prestige could be graphed in a linear fashion, with the worst DIII C- prestige being the lowest numerical value and the highest DI A+ being the highest numerical value. The difference in recruiting impact between even the best DII team and an A+ DI team should be massive. 3.0 does not seem to make that distinction during the 2nd session. It confuses me as well.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/2/2017 11:56:00 AM (view original):
I don't think chapel is coming across as being entitled. I take his comment as one stemming from confusion. Prestige could be graphed in a linear fashion, with the worst DIII C- prestige being the lowest numerical value and the highest DI A+ being the highest numerical value. The difference in recruiting impact between even the best DII team and an A+ DI team should be massive. 3.0 does not seem to make that distinction during the 2nd session. It confuses me as well.

Where do you draw the line? Should 1 AP from an A+ D1 wipe out 500 AP + 20 HV + 1 CV + promises from a C- D2? If not, how many APs from the D1 should overcome the D2 effort?

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/2/2017 11:56:00 AM (view original):
I don't think chapel is coming across as being entitled. I take his comment as one stemming from confusion. Prestige could be graphed in a linear fashion, with the worst DIII C- prestige being the lowest numerical value and the highest DI A+ being the highest numerical value. The difference in recruiting impact between even the best DII team and an A+ DI team should be massive. 3.0 does not seem to make that distinction during the 2nd session. It confuses me as well.

There is a massive difference, 4 full prestige grades. It doesn't take much effort to win a battle at 4 full grades, but if you don't show up until late, you let the lower team set the price, so the price can be much higher than it would have been with early attention. I used the analogy of life insurance. If you wait to buy until you are old, it is really expensive. That's not to say anyone should or shouldn't buy life insurance. That's a personal choice. But the variant price is an economic reality.

Posted by shoe3 on 10/2/2017 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/2/2017 11:56:00 AM (view original):
I don't think chapel is coming across as being entitled. I take his comment as one stemming from confusion. Prestige could be graphed in a linear fashion, with the worst DIII C- prestige being the lowest numerical value and the highest DI A+ being the highest numerical value. The difference in recruiting impact between even the best DII team and an A+ DI team should be massive. 3.0 does not seem to make that distinction during the 2nd session. It confuses me as well.

There is a massive difference, 4 full prestige grades. It doesn't take much effort to win a battle at 4 full grades, but if you don't show up until late, you let the lower team set the price, so the price can be much higher than it would have been with early attention. I used the analogy of life insurance. If you wait to buy until you are old, it is really expensive. That's not to say anyone should or shouldn't buy life insurance. That's a personal choice. But the variant price is an economic reality.

I agree in part. The only issue I have with the analogy is that EEs don't allow you to purchase until you are old, unless you are saying that signing a player with the potential to EE is a personal choice in an of itself.

Many of the issues chapel has would be fixed if the value of APs were lessened. Right now if you're battling for an elite recruit, you're heavily incentivized to maximize APs on that recruit (indeed, per other threads, you're apparently not "all in" on a recruit unless you're putting 80 APs in each cycle). Lessen the value of APs, and people can unlock second session recruits without feeling like they're harming (as much) their ability to win all-in-type battles. This seems pretty obvious to me.

Also agree with the idea that adding some late-bloomer type JUCOs in session 2 could be a partial fix.

I agree in part. The only issue I have with the analogy is that EEs don't allow you to purchase until you are old, unless you are saying that signing a player with the potential to EE is a personal choice in an of itself.



This hits it on the nail every time , if you go after EE players why should you be rewarded ????
3.0 was brought to eliminate super teams and yet so many still fail to realize this they will not reward you wanting a team of NBA players
You have 2 choices
A. Dont go after so many EE's
B. Plan ahead, get all that unlocked in round 1 of recruiting and then when you get your EE money you then offer visits, campus, starts, mins.....
or
This isnt really hard to understand or implement , i continually see these coaches go after 700+ players every single year and then complain when they cant get a roster to there liking , the choice is yours adapt or complain but there not fixing anything , those fixes were done along time ago already during the beta i guess more of you should of actually done it or had more feedback , i know i did it , and have no complaints except for maybe we need more EE's by way of freshman....

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/2/2017 12:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 10/2/2017 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 10/2/2017 11:56:00 AM (view original):
I don't think chapel is coming across as being entitled. I take his comment as one stemming from confusion. Prestige could be graphed in a linear fashion, with the worst DIII C- prestige being the lowest numerical value and the highest DI A+ being the highest numerical value. The difference in recruiting impact between even the best DII team and an A+ DI team should be massive. 3.0 does not seem to make that distinction during the 2nd session. It confuses me as well.

There is a massive difference, 4 full prestige grades. It doesn't take much effort to win a battle at 4 full grades, but if you don't show up until late, you let the lower team set the price, so the price can be much higher than it would have been with early attention. I used the analogy of life insurance. If you wait to buy until you are old, it is really expensive. That's not to say anyone should or shouldn't buy life insurance. That's a personal choice. But the variant price is an economic reality.

I agree in part. The only issue I have with the analogy is that EEs don't allow you to purchase until you are old, unless you are saying that signing a player with the potential to EE is a personal choice in an of itself.

Crzy hits on this, but the idea is that extending 3-5 APs per cycle on a player like Singletary early on often means he's there for you when you need him. Not always, but often. If he's a late signee, and you're worried about EEs, you can offer a scholarship, even if he's only EE insurance (because you can always revoke before he signs, if you don't need him). D2 teams are much less likely to invest and jack up his price if an A prestige D1 school is on him early, especially if they offer a scholarship in the first session.

Same thing as what happened to you chapel, took over OSU with 8 openings as they have been in Shambles.

Unlocked an international and on first cycle they signed with D2 Dominican. Apparently instantly starting at OSU in the big10 is not a big enough draw instead he would rather come off the bench for a D2 squad.

Also unlocked a PG in the first cycle within 500 miles and signed with D2 Benedict as well. He will be coming off the bench for an unranked D2 squad. I get these schools put in effort throughout cycle 1 but logically these recruits didn't even think about the possibilities. I had starting spots available for both recruits but coming off the bench in D2 I guess sounded better than starting at OSU.

Posted by bagger288 on 10/2/2017 1:41:00 PM (view original):
Same thing as what happened to you chapel, took over OSU with 8 openings as they have been in Shambles.

Unlocked an international and on first cycle they signed with D2 Dominican. Apparently instantly starting at OSU in the big10 is not a big enough draw instead he would rather come off the bench for a D2 squad.

Also unlocked a PG in the first cycle within 500 miles and signed with D2 Benedict as well. He will be coming off the bench for an unranked D2 squad. I get these schools put in effort throughout cycle 1 but logically these recruits didn't even think about the possibilities. I had starting spots available for both recruits but coming off the bench in D2 I guess sounded better than starting at OSU.

Did you ever offer a scholly or did they sign before you offered it cause those are 2 different scenarios , The first year is basically a wash recruiting session when taking over a new team , it is what it is
Im assuming by you stating Unlocked a international that you only unlocked it , but never offered anything as he signed already , the recruit doesnt know yet your intentions and it is LATE so he signed with his best offer on the table not too hard to understand .....

Posted by crzyballplay on 10/2/2017 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagger288 on 10/2/2017 1:41:00 PM (view original):
Same thing as what happened to you chapel, took over OSU with 8 openings as they have been in Shambles.

Unlocked an international and on first cycle they signed with D2 Dominican. Apparently instantly starting at OSU in the big10 is not a big enough draw instead he would rather come off the bench for a D2 squad.

Also unlocked a PG in the first cycle within 500 miles and signed with D2 Benedict as well. He will be coming off the bench for an unranked D2 squad. I get these schools put in effort throughout cycle 1 but logically these recruits didn't even think about the possibilities. I had starting spots available for both recruits but coming off the bench in D2 I guess sounded better than starting at OSU.

Did you ever offer a scholly or did they sign before you offered it cause those are 2 different scenarios , The first year is basically a wash recruiting session when taking over a new team , it is what it is
Im assuming by you stating Unlocked a international that you only unlocked it , but never offered anything as he signed already , the recruit doesnt know yet your intentions and it is LATE so he signed with his best offer on the table not too hard to understand .....

Unlocked, it was first cycle so I didn't even have a chance to offer. But got that email "I'm interested in a scholarship coach" then I look at they are signed. I threw 60 AP at the international to force my way in there. I get what your saying but the international also had the "late" signing preference which was interesting that he signed after the first cycle which I feel shouldn't happen on that preference.

Late only means 2nd session , maybe your slightly confused a d2 /d3 wont sign a D1 caliber player in session 1 as well even if there early or whenever, same as Early recruits can sign on the first cycle they can as well, hope that clears up any confusion....

Posted by bagger288 on 10/2/2017 2:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by crzyballplay on 10/2/2017 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bagger288 on 10/2/2017 1:41:00 PM (view original):
Same thing as what happened to you chapel, took over OSU with 8 openings as they have been in Shambles.

Unlocked an international and on first cycle they signed with D2 Dominican. Apparently instantly starting at OSU in the big10 is not a big enough draw instead he would rather come off the bench for a D2 squad.

Also unlocked a PG in the first cycle within 500 miles and signed with D2 Benedict as well. He will be coming off the bench for an unranked D2 squad. I get these schools put in effort throughout cycle 1 but logically these recruits didn't even think about the possibilities. I had starting spots available for both recruits but coming off the bench in D2 I guess sounded better than starting at OSU.

Did you ever offer a scholly or did they sign before you offered it cause those are 2 different scenarios , The first year is basically a wash recruiting session when taking over a new team , it is what it is
Im assuming by you stating Unlocked a international that you only unlocked it , but never offered anything as he signed already , the recruit doesnt know yet your intentions and it is LATE so he signed with his best offer on the table not too hard to understand .....

Unlocked, it was first cycle so I didn't even have a chance to offer. But got that email "I'm interested in a scholarship coach" then I look at they are signed. I threw 60 AP at the international to force my way in there. I get what your saying but the international also had the "late" signing preference which was interesting that he signed after the first cycle which I feel shouldn't happen on that preference.

First cycle in 2nd session? The D2 had been pursuing the guy the entire 1st session. I don't pursue recruits if a D1 shows any interest in the first session. I bet that's pretty commonplace. But D1 users don't bother with the lower level D1 players until the 2nd cycle. Then they're up in arms because they didn't get a chance to sign the guy.

It's not the game that's the problem. It's the procedure D1 users use.

Posted by johnsensing on 10/2/2017 12:54:00 PM (view original):
Many of the issues chapel has would be fixed if the value of APs were lessened. Right now if you're battling for an elite recruit, you're heavily incentivized to maximize APs on that recruit (indeed, per other threads, you're apparently not "all in" on a recruit unless you're putting 80 APs in each cycle). Lessen the value of APs, and people can unlock second session recruits without feeling like they're harming (as much) their ability to win all-in-type battles. This seems pretty obvious to me.

Also agree with the idea that adding some late-bloomer type JUCOs in session 2 could be a partial fix.

In all-in scenarios, John, ap IS THE SOLE STRATEGY LEFT.

We all are capped in cv, hv.

Posted by crzyballplay on 10/2/2017 2:11:00 PM (view original):
Late only means 2nd session , maybe your slightly confused a d2 /d3 wont sign a D1 caliber player in session 1 as well even if there early or whenever, same as Early recruits can sign on the first cycle they can as well, hope that clears up any confusion....

Oh no I've been around long enough to understand that, I'm just saying I ran into the same issue chapel ran into basically. It is what it is but logically a real life human wouldn't panic sign in the 2nd session when OSU is reaching out. That's all :D

This isnt real life and not everything in this game is suppose to mimic it if it was freshman would dominate the EE;s and they dont