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Posted by moy23 on 10/5/2017 5:47:00 PM (view original):

The Senate Budget Committee on Thursday advanced a budget resolution that would help pave the way for Republicans to pass a tax reform bill without Democratic support.

The resolution passed 12-11 along strict party lines and is expected to be taken up on the Senate floor in two weeks. The Senate is not in session next week.

Though the budget ostensibly lays out spending plans for the fiscal year, the budget document’s central purpose, as reflected by the committee’s debate, was to open the reconciliation process for tax reform, which will allow Republicans to avoid a Democratic filibuster.

The resolution will allow the tax plan to add up to $1.5 trillion to the deficit over the course of a decade.




^^^#ITSHAPPENING

Did you read the last line? This plan clearly only benefits trump and his comrades.

It benefits EVERYONE. How does doubling the standard deduction NOT help low income and middle class earners? The first $24,000 for a married couple will be at 0%. You libs are really into cutting off you nose to spite your face. "OMG I don't want a tax cut for the low to middle income earners because the rich will also get a tax cut?!?!?"

https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2017-09-29/trumps-tax-plan-could-lead-to-a-huge-deficit
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/03/republicans-are-sabotaging-reelection-campaigns-thanks-to-tax-reform.html


There's one reason.

Posted by moy23 on 10/5/2017 5:37:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 10/5/2017 12:05:00 PM (view original):
No one is arguing that Obama was a perfect president. The thing I care about was that he was likable. His values were good. I think if republicans weren't so set on destroying his legacy, he would have more of a lasting impact.

I am not one to debate internal affairs, and industry, as I am not knowledgeable on the subject. However, I think that trickle-down economics has never worked and won't now. Anyway, I care more about morals, foreign policy, and the president representing the country well, and in my opinion Obama outclassed trump on ALL of those things.

If I had to choose between a nice guy that accomplishes very little or a jackass that can get things done I will choose the jackass every time.

I want execution, not talk. Obama was mostly talk. We will see how Trump turns out. So far the economy has picked up a notch, middle class and low income wages are creeping up, illegal border crossings are way down, and ISIS is retreating. Not bad considering most people thought the world was going to end and the stock market would crash when Trump won the election almost a year ago.

Trumps main campaign promises were the wall and repeal and replace. 1st day. He is truly the one who is all talk.

1. Republicans usually lead to economic crashes.
2. Illegal border crossings being down is not good.
3. Isis was doomed to fail before trump. Trump has nothing to do with that.

So let's say that both the wall and repeal and replace get done in 1 year and a day.... Would you consider that all talk?

see most Trump supporters get that he embellishes... But we also see the movement happening while the media is distracted by Trump's jackassery.... For instance, this happened yesterday:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353904-house-panel-approves-10b-for-border-wall

and this process has been moving along nicely, since day 1:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-wall-construction-prototypes-photos-cbp-2017-10

yes, but not everyone agrees the wall is a good thing. Even if it does get built, not everyone will view that as an accomplishment, or at least not a worthwhile one.

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Posted by tangplay on 10/5/2017 12:05:00 PM (view original):
No one is arguing that Obama was a perfect president. The thing I care about was that he was likable. His values were good. I think if republicans weren't so set on destroying his legacy, he would have more of a lasting impact.

I am not one to debate internal affairs, and industry, as I am not knowledgeable on the subject. However, I think that trickle-down economics has never worked and won't now. Anyway, I care more about morals, foreign policy, and the president representing the country well, and in my opinion Obama outclassed trump on ALL of those things.

If I had to choose between a nice guy that accomplishes very little or a jackass that can get things done I will choose the jackass every time.

I want execution, not talk. Obama was mostly talk. We will see how Trump turns out. So far the economy has picked up a notch, middle class and low income wages are creeping up, illegal border crossings are way down, and ISIS is retreating. Not bad considering most people thought the world was going to end and the stock market would crash when Trump won the election almost a year ago.

Trumps main campaign promises were the wall and repeal and replace. 1st day. He is truly the one who is all talk.

1. Republicans usually lead to economic crashes.
2. Illegal border crossings being down is not good.
3. Isis was doomed to fail before trump. Trump has nothing to do with that.

So let's say that both the wall and repeal and replace get done in 1 year and a day.... Would you consider that all talk?

see most Trump supporters get that he embellishes... But we also see the movement happening while the media is distracted by Trump's jackassery.... For instance, this happened yesterday:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353904-house-panel-approves-10b-for-border-wall

and this process has been moving along nicely, since day 1:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-border-wall-construction-prototypes-photos-cbp-2017-10

No.. but the wall will never happen. We just don't have the financial resources. We are already trillions of dollars in debt, and we already have to pay for Harvey, Maria, Irma, etc. Where will the money come from? What will we cut? How will we solve the financial crisis? Are we sure that building a wall is good for the economy? These issues need to be considered.

(Also trump said day 1)

Since when has a liberal EVER cared about the US debt? BL even argued having debt is A GOOD THING.

If we had $120 billion/yr to fight a war in Iraq then we have $10 billion to build a wall. Harvey, Irma, and PR each cost more than $10 billion in Federal aid. The wall is a drop in the bucket at $10 billion.

I have always cared about the national debt. Just because I am a liberal/independent does not mean I agree with BL on everything.


10 billion for the wall is laughable. It would cost way more than that in reality, and your article did nothing to convince me otherwise. Here is some info.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/us/politics/senate-democrats-border-wall-cost-trump.html
http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/apr/28/scott-peters/would-trumps-border-wall-cost-same-one-and-half-us/
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/09/this-is-what-trumps-border-wall-could-cost-us.html
http://time.com/4745350/donald-trump-border-wall-cost-billions/

Again, we need to consider whether this is a good idea. Where will the money come from? What will we cut? How will we solve the financial crisis? Are we sure that building a wall is good for the economy? These issues need to be considered.

personally I agree with very little BL says. Even when I do agree with him, I have to wonder if its wrong.

Secretary of State being fired tonight. Remember you heard it here

Yeah if he publicly called Donald a moron, he might get canned...

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/5/2017 8:17:00 PM (view original):
Yeah if he publicly called Donald a moron, he might get canned...

I pray to god as well. One less business and oil tycoon out of washington.

Posted by tangplay on 10/5/2017 8:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/5/2017 8:17:00 PM (view original):
Yeah if he publicly called Donald a moron, he might get canned...

I pray to god as well. One less business and oil tycoon out of washington.

What's wrong with being a business tycoon? He did things right and made a lot of money. We shouldn't hate people for working hard and being successful.

Posted by tangplay on 10/5/2017 8:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/5/2017 8:17:00 PM (view original):
Yeah if he publicly called Donald a moron, he might get canned...

I pray to god as well. One less business and oil tycoon out of washington.

I would assume, might be wrong, but as an independent (even leaning towards the left) that you are a capitalist. Even if you feel that Exxon is bad for the environment, it doesn't taint the fact that Tillerson spent many years working hard up the chain with the company.

Putting successful people in high positions isn't a bad thing, or anything new. You prefer people in charge that lack successful resumes? Joe the Plumber for Sec of State? A panhandler to run the treasury?

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Posted by tangplay on 10/5/2017 8:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/5/2017 8:17:00 PM (view original):
Yeah if he publicly called Donald a moron, he might get canned...

I pray to god as well. One less business and oil tycoon out of washington.

I would assume, might be wrong, but as an independent (even leaning towards the left) that you are a capitalist. Even if you feel that Exxon is bad for the environment, it doesn't taint the fact that Tillerson spent many years working hard up the chain with the company.

Oh I agree with that. It is the Exxon environment thing that is bad. Big companies, especially energy, controlling government is NOT GOOD. For instance, I live in Koch brothers and other fossil fuels country. They put restrictions on solar panels and other energy platforms so it is more expensive and harder to acquire, own schools so they can teach propaganda, and do everything they can to make money. It is actually terrible.

Posted by DoctorKz on 10/5/2017 9:22:00 PM (view original):
Putting successful people in high positions isn't a bad thing, or anything new. You prefer people in charge that lack successful resumes? Joe the Plumber for Sec of State? A panhandler to run the treasury?

It isn't that. It is that big energy in high positions is NOT GOOD.

I DESPISE people like the Koch brothers. Did you know that they HIRE PEOPLE to provide fake studies on climate change? DESPICABLE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-industries/
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/global-warming-skeptic.html#.Wdbdc2hSzIU

Posted by tangplay on 10/5/2017 9:35:00 PM (view original):
I DESPISE people like the Koch brothers. Did you know that they HIRE PEOPLE to provide fake studies on climate change? DESPICABLE.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-industries/
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/global-warming-skeptic.html#.Wdbdc2hSzIU

I am not calling you a liar and it is very possible that this is true, but all 3 sources that you provided are highly biased and; therefore, are unreliable.

Disclaimer: I have never heard of the 3rd and may be making an unfair assumption.

Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

By the way, to all of the gun haters out there look up the gun law in Kennesaw, GA and what has happened to the crime rate since it was passed. Also, look up the gun laws in Chicago, IL and the crime rates since they were passed.