Posted by tangplay on 10/11/2017 7:46:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

They are not protesting the flag.

What are they doing then?

Posted by all3 on 10/12/2017 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/11/2017 8:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 10/11/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
The "protest" by the former NFL player was not about the flag or the anthem. It was his attempt to bring attention to his cause. He figured (He "reckoned" the hill country folks would say) his "act" would bring attention to his cause (police violence against un-armed black men) because the National Anthem is such a bright spotlight in that it's played before EVERY game with cameras rolling scanning the players and the crowd, etc.

It seems to have worked as so many marshmellows on the right got their panties all bunched up in a wad, including the head facist-in-chief, who has the thinnest skin in the land. He seems to have really helped with the cause by his whining about it.

Exactly.

So there's less white police violence against black men now than there was a year ago? Can you show us the numbers that back that up, because I'd think if anything, it's just the opposite because of elevated racial tension.
Also, are people really talking about the (so called?) reason of the protest, or just about the protest itself?

I said nothing about the effectiveness (or not) of his protest. I suspect even he knew that just protesting was not going to bring down police violence within a year. BUT, he DID get attention. And SOME folks (citizens, even?) are even now talking about important constitutional guarantees and what they REALLY mean. I think that's a good thing. Not what the former QB intended maybe, but who cares........ it's about F-ing time some Americans got off their mental lazy ***** and put some thought into what our soldiers are REALLY dying for! And what (in this particular case) the 1st Amendment really means!!

Seems to me that a WHOLE LOT of folks just flat don't get the concept.......... including the head guy, THE Donald Doofuss.......... who doesn't seem to know much about what this Country stands for and who seems hell-bent on turning it into that nice law and order utopia that that former evil nationalist leader talked his blind sheep filled nation into......... back in the 1930's I believe it was........... where (for a while!) everything ran so smoothly, and everybody stood at the same time and saluted............. wasn't it glorious!!

Then those damn Americans with their British and French allies and their brave soldiers had to go and bust our little utopia!
Inglorious Bastards!

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 11:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

The correct order of events is:
1. Blaine Gabbert is named the starter for the 49ers
2. Colin Kaepernick pouts and stays seated (not kneeling) during the national anthem
3. Someone snapped a photo of him pouting on the bench
4. A reporter asked him about it
5. Rather than admit he was just butthurt, he mutters something about the oppression of blacks
6. The media takes it and runs runs runs runs
7. Kaep wears pig socks
8. Kaep grows a massive afro
9. The media is still running with it

Actually, an important step (Step Zero, as it were) is when he met his girlfriend, a known radical and activist. Most in the Bay Area attribute his newfound "social awareness" to her radicalism.

Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 11:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 12:13:00 PM (view original):


Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

How does kneeling at an NFL game protest bad policing? I just don't see the equation whatsoever. I can see if you protest a war or such but not bad policing? If he didn't tell me what he was protesting against I would assume it was the Government or the Flag.

Posted by laramiebob on 10/12/2017 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 10/12/2017 9:31:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/11/2017 8:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 10/11/2017 8:34:00 PM (view original):
The "protest" by the former NFL player was not about the flag or the anthem. It was his attempt to bring attention to his cause. He figured (He "reckoned" the hill country folks would say) his "act" would bring attention to his cause (police violence against un-armed black men) because the National Anthem is such a bright spotlight in that it's played before EVERY game with cameras rolling scanning the players and the crowd, etc.

It seems to have worked as so many marshmellows on the right got their panties all bunched up in a wad, including the head facist-in-chief, who has the thinnest skin in the land. He seems to have really helped with the cause by his whining about it.

Exactly.

So there's less white police violence against black men now than there was a year ago? Can you show us the numbers that back that up, because I'd think if anything, it's just the opposite because of elevated racial tension.
Also, are people really talking about the (so called?) reason of the protest, or just about the protest itself?

I said nothing about the effectiveness (or not) of his protest. I suspect even he knew that just protesting was not going to bring down police violence within a year. BUT, he DID get attention. And SOME folks (citizens, even?) are even now talking about important constitutional guarantees and what they REALLY mean. I think that's a good thing. Not what the former QB intended maybe, but who cares........ it's about F-ing time some Americans got off their mental lazy ***** and put some thought into what our soldiers are REALLY dying for! And what (in this particular case) the 1st Amendment really means!!

Seems to me that a WHOLE LOT of folks just flat don't get the concept.......... including the head guy, THE Donald Doofuss.......... who doesn't seem to know much about what this Country stands for and who seems hell-bent on turning it into that nice law and order utopia that that former evil nationalist leader talked his blind sheep filled nation into......... back in the 1930's I believe it was........... where (for a while!) everything ran so smoothly, and everybody stood at the same time and saluted............. wasn't it glorious!!

Then those damn Americans with their British and French allies and their brave soldiers had to go and bust our little utopia!
Inglorious Bastards!

This entire statement is subjective. I can disagree with all of it and be just as right or wrong as you, Bob.

That evil nationalist leader was invading other countries for land gain, committing genocide and declaring war on his neighbors. Please show me where Trump is committing genocide or invading other countries to gain their land. He also had his opposition assassinated. If we are going to make comparisons let's call them for what they truly are and not exaggerate to make a point.

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 11:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

I don't think it's difficult to differentiate between issues worth making a stand over (police brutality) and issues not (Coke).

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 12:13:00 PM (view original):


Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

How does kneeling at an NFL game protest bad policing? I just don't see the equation whatsoever. I can see if you protest a war or such but not bad policing? If he didn't tell me what he was protesting against I would assume it was the Government or the Flag.

How does marching across a bridge protest Jim Crow?

He's drawing attention to an issue. This isn't difficult to understand.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 12:13:00 PM (view original):


Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

How does kneeling at an NFL game protest bad policing? I just don't see the equation whatsoever. I can see if you protest a war or such but not bad policing? If he didn't tell me what he was protesting against I would assume it was the Government or the Flag.

How does marching across a bridge protest Jim Crow?

He's drawing attention to an issue. This isn't difficult to understand.

Are you serious? They were marching toward Alabama to protest their racist behavior, specifically toward voting. Watch the movie Selma. They were actually not protesting Jim Crow laws. On the way to the protest violence happened. This has zero to do with what Kap is doing. Again how does sitting for the Anthem protest poor police work? Mind you poor police work in his view.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 11:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

I don't think it's difficult to differentiate between issues worth making a stand over (police brutality) and issues not (Coke).

Sugar in Pepsi causes diabetes, obesity and probably is responsible for more deaths than bad police work. To me it is a huge issue. Pepsi is an NFL sponsor so I am going to sit for the Anthem because the NFL watches Pepsi sell its awful drink to kids.

Seems just as logical as sitting for the anthem because you believe there are some bad police officers out there...

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 11:04:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/11/2017 7:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
If you want to not be poor in America you need to achieve these three things:

#1) Graduate HS
#2) Get a job
#3) Don't be a single parent

In the 1960s 20% of African Americans were single parents. In 2017 that # is 70%. Is the US more racist now than it was in the 70s? I think not. The wealthiest segment in the US is not whites it is Asian Americans. White privilege is not real. Is the US only racist vs. certain groups? I think not. The problem is not race it is culture. Change the culture and everything will be better. Capitalism only values one color. Green.

Turn to capitalism if you want true "equality"

What are statistics that relate single paranthood to poverty? And incidents like redlining PREVENT black people feom getting jobs.

Please explain why black children who have two parents are statistically much more successful than white children with one parent?

You brought it up, you supply theevidence.

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 1:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 1:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 11:43:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

I don't think it's difficult to differentiate between issues worth making a stand over (police brutality) and issues not (Coke).

Sugar in Pepsi causes diabetes, obesity and probably is responsible for more deaths than bad police work. To me it is a huge issue. Pepsi is an NFL sponsor so I am going to sit for the Anthem because the NFL watches Pepsi sell its awful drink to kids.

Seems just as logical as sitting for the anthem because you believe there are some bad police officers out there...

But the existence of soda isn't an injustice. Stop being stupid.