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Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

How does kneeling at an NFL game protest bad policing? I just don't see the equation whatsoever. I can see if you protest a war or such but not bad policing? If he didn't tell me what he was protesting against I would assume it was the Government or the Flag.

How does marching across a bridge protest Jim Crow?

He's drawing attention to an issue. This isn't difficult to understand.

Are you serious? They were marching toward Alabama to protest their racist behavior, specifically toward voting. Watch the movie Selma. They were actually not protesting Jim Crow laws. On the way to the protest violence happened. This has zero to do with what Kap is doing. Again how does sitting for the Anthem protest poor police work? Mind you poor police work in his view.

I know you aren't from the US, so maybe you get a pass on this, but several Jim Crow laws were restrictions on voting.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

I don't think it's difficult to differentiate between issues worth making a stand over (police brutality) and issues not (Coke).

Sugar in Pepsi causes diabetes, obesity and probably is responsible for more deaths than bad police work. To me it is a huge issue. Pepsi is an NFL sponsor so I am going to sit for the Anthem because the NFL watches Pepsi sell its awful drink to kids.

Seems just as logical as sitting for the anthem because you believe there are some bad police officers out there...

But the existence of soda isn't an injustice. Stop being stupid.

The existence of some bad police officers isn't injustice either. Stop being yourself. Soda is actually purchased more by minorities as it is cheap. So there is some injustice there. I would also argue that rich athletes get more "justice" than an average shmoe who gets pulled over. You have lost this argument. You are defeated. And you are a loser with no career path.

Society as a whole and the justice system in particular choosing not to hold police accountable for unjustifiable violence is injustice.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
If you want to not be poor in America you need to achieve these three things:

#1) Graduate HS
#2) Get a job
#3) Don't be a single parent

In the 1960s 20% of African Americans were single parents. In 2017 that # is 70%. Is the US more racist now than it was in the 70s? I think not. The wealthiest segment in the US is not whites it is Asian Americans. White privilege is not real. Is the US only racist vs. certain groups? I think not. The problem is not race it is culture. Change the culture and everything will be better. Capitalism only values one color. Green.

Turn to capitalism if you want true "equality"

What are statistics that relate single paranthood to poverty? And incidents like redlining PREVENT black people feom getting jobs.

Please explain why black children who have two parents are statistically much more successful than white children with one parent?

You brought it up, you supply theevidence.

https://www.yourazlawfirm.com/40-facts-two-parent-families/
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/17/1-the-american-family-today/

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

I don't think it's difficult to differentiate between issues worth making a stand over (police brutality) and issues not (Coke).

Sugar in Pepsi causes diabetes, obesity and probably is responsible for more deaths than bad police work. To me it is a huge issue. Pepsi is an NFL sponsor so I am going to sit for the Anthem because the NFL watches Pepsi sell its awful drink to kids.

Seems just as logical as sitting for the anthem because you believe there are some bad police officers out there...

But the existence of soda isn't an injustice. Stop being stupid.

The existence of some bad police officers isn't injustice either. Stop being yourself. Soda is actually purchased more by minorities as it is cheap. So there is some injustice there. I would also argue that rich athletes get more "justice" than an average shmoe who gets pulled over. You have lost this argument. You are defeated. And you are a loser with no career path.

Society as a whole and the justice system in particular choosing not to hold police accountable for unjustifiable violence is injustice.

Of course they are held accountable. There are 100s of cases where in fact they are. You choose a small, tiny sample of bad shootings. But that will happen. There are 1000s of cases of heroic police work that goes unnoticed. You focus on the 1% of bad police officers. I focus on the 99% of good police officers.

But we are mixing arguments. Again show me how protesting poor police work equates to sitting during the Anthem? 85% of the country found that to be disrespectful. Most veterans found that to be disrespectful. That is all I am saying.

If Kap hated bad police work why not put together a coalition and march near a police station in his neighborhood. He could have had the press there and stated his opinions on the matter. It would have garnered news coverage for sure. Instead he conflated two things that are not remotely related. Actually if he was protesting the NFL and Pepsi alliance because it sells its ****** soda to poor African American kids I could sort of understand that. But to conflate bad policing and our military is insane.

The majority of the country thought Martin Luther King Jr.'s protests were setting blacks back in their quest for equality. What the majority thinks at a given time doesn't necessarily reflect the morally correct position.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/12/2017 2:18:00 PM (view original):
The majority of the country thought Martin Luther King Jr.'s protests were setting blacks back in their quest for equality. What the majority thinks at a given time doesn't necessarily reflect the morally correct position.

I cannot opine on MLK as I was not around then. I can only opine on the fact that Kap conflated two things that had nothing to do with one another. I agree with you that there are some bad police officers out there like there are bad doctors, bad lawyers, bad plumbers, etc. I don't agree that they are only bad toward minorities.

Do you also acknowledge that the protest in Selma had nothing to do with Jim Crow laws, that previously you stated was the main reason for it?

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Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

How does kneeling at an NFL game protest bad policing? I just don't see the equation whatsoever. I can see if you protest a war or such but not bad policing? If he didn't tell me what he was protesting against I would assume it was the Government or the Flag.

How does marching across a bridge protest Jim Crow?

He's drawing attention to an issue. This isn't difficult to understand.

Are you serious? They were marching toward Alabama to protest their racist behavior, specifically toward voting. Watch the movie Selma. They were actually not protesting Jim Crow laws. On the way to the protest violence happened. This has zero to do with what Kap is doing. Again how does sitting for the Anthem protest poor police work? Mind you poor police work in his view.

I know you aren't from the US, so maybe you get a pass on this, but several Jim Crow laws were restrictions on voting.

You must have missed this

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

I don't think it's difficult to differentiate between issues worth making a stand over (police brutality) and issues not (Coke).

Sugar in Pepsi causes diabetes, obesity and probably is responsible for more deaths than bad police work. To me it is a huge issue. Pepsi is an NFL sponsor so I am going to sit for the Anthem because the NFL watches Pepsi sell its awful drink to kids.

Seems just as logical as sitting for the anthem because you believe there are some bad police officers out there...

Protesting is supposed to bring attention to the issue.Did it not?

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Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

How does kneeling at an NFL game protest bad policing? I just don't see the equation whatsoever. I can see if you protest a war or such but not bad policing? If he didn't tell me what he was protesting against I would assume it was the Government or the Flag.

How does marching across a bridge protest Jim Crow?

He's drawing attention to an issue. This isn't difficult to understand.

Are you serious? They were marching toward Alabama to protest their racist behavior, specifically toward voting. Watch the movie Selma. They were actually not protesting Jim Crow laws. On the way to the protest violence happened. This has zero to do with what Kap is doing. Again how does sitting for the Anthem protest poor police work? Mind you poor police work in his view.

I know you aren't from the US, so maybe you get a pass on this, but several Jim Crow laws were restrictions on voting.

Agreed but they weren't specifically protesting JC in Selma. And they crossed that bridge to get to the Capital of Alabama. You stated the bridge had nothing to do with what they were protesting. But it did as it was a way to get to Montgomery.

I would suggest reading Coming of Age in Mississippi for some insight, Boris.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
Kaepernick isn't protesting capitalism. He's protesting police brutality.

How does not standing for the anthem protest police brutality? I agree that there are both good and bad police officers out there but protesting the flag does not equate to protesting bad police officers. At least not in my view.

He (was) performing a peaceful protest to draw attention to an issue he feels needs addressing.

A protest is useless if it doesn't make someone uncomfortable.

So if he hated the calorie count of Coke he would sit for the Anthem? Or would he protest Coke?

I just don't see how he conflated the protest of the anthem to bad police work.

I don't think it's difficult to differentiate between issues worth making a stand over (police brutality) and issues not (Coke).

Sugar in Pepsi causes diabetes, obesity and probably is responsible for more deaths than bad police work. To me it is a huge issue. Pepsi is an NFL sponsor so I am going to sit for the Anthem because the NFL watches Pepsi sell its awful drink to kids.

Seems just as logical as sitting for the anthem because you believe there are some bad police officers out there...

Protesting is supposed to bring attention to the issue.Did it not?

Only after he said it was the issue and it actually now became more about disrespecting the flag vs. bad policing so I would say it backfired.

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Regardless of where his awareness came from (girlfriend, whatever), it's not radical to silently kneel in protest of police brutality. It's American.

How does kneeling at an NFL game protest bad policing? I just don't see the equation whatsoever. I can see if you protest a war or such but not bad policing? If he didn't tell me what he was protesting against I would assume it was the Government or the Flag.

How does marching across a bridge protest Jim Crow?

He's drawing attention to an issue. This isn't difficult to understand.

Are you serious? They were marching toward Alabama to protest their racist behavior, specifically toward voting. Watch the movie Selma. They were actually not protesting Jim Crow laws. On the way to the protest violence happened. This has zero to do with what Kap is doing. Again how does sitting for the Anthem protest poor police work? Mind you poor police work in his view.

I know you aren't from the US, so maybe you get a pass on this, but several Jim Crow laws were restrictions on voting.

Agreed but they weren't specifically protesting JC in Selma. And they crossed that bridge to get to the Capital of Alabama. You stated the bridge had nothing to do with what they were protesting. But it did as it was a way to get to Montgomery.

There were lots of instances of protests that logically were unrelated during the movement.

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2017 2:36:00 PM (view original):
I would suggest reading Coming of Age in Mississippi for some insight, Boris.

Why? I agree that the South was racist but it wasn't the people so much as the Legislature that insisted on separate bathrooms and seating areas in restaurants. Go and watch Mississippi Burning. Pretty frightening stuff.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 10/11/2017 7:07:00 PM (view original):
If you want to not be poor in America you need to achieve these three things:

#1) Graduate HS
#2) Get a job
#3) Don't be a single parent

In the 1960s 20% of African Americans were single parents. In 2017 that # is 70%. Is the US more racist now than it was in the 70s? I think not. The wealthiest segment in the US is not whites it is Asian Americans. White privilege is not real. Is the US only racist vs. certain groups? I think not. The problem is not race it is culture. Change the culture and everything will be better. Capitalism only values one color. Green.

Turn to capitalism if you want true "equality"

What are statistics that relate single paranthood to poverty? And incidents like redlining PREVENT black people feom getting jobs.

Please explain why black children who have two parents are statistically much more successful than white children with one parent?

You brought it up, you supply theevidence.

https://www.yourazlawfirm.com/40-facts-two-parent-families/
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/12/17/1-the-american-family-today/

Fair enough. But the other two?

Posted by cccp1014 on 10/12/2017 2:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/12/2017 2:36:00 PM (view original):
I would suggest reading Coming of Age in Mississippi for some insight, Boris.

Why? I agree that the South was racist but it wasn't the people so much as the Legislature that insisted on separate bathrooms and seating areas in restaurants. Go and watch Mississippi Burning. Pretty frightening stuff.

.... On education and the way people protested. And if you are going to insult a person, you had better know what they went through.