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a common sense type of question...if russia is nothing but a hoax and trump has done nothing wrong then why is he obstructing the investigation and obsessed with having it end....think about it using normal common sense.
12/26/2017 12:13 PM
some more common sense ..part 2
even the legitimate press does not emphasize enough that the dossier was originally bought and invested into by the BUSH campaign ( proven fact ) and possibly another candidate ......later it was picked up by clinton who didnt even use it for her advantage but she did hint at knowledge about a few things during the debates.
second.....christopher steele was only the...THE...preeminent british spy over the past 25-30 years in russia...he is one of a few ( 1-3 ) most knowledgeable spies about russia worldwide........after the story came out he had to go into hiding for his safety for several months.
the gop talks about him like he is nothing more then a used car salesman nutcase who came into the cold.
12/26/2017 12:27 PM
the tax cuts is like the parents getting themselves an expensive sports car for christmas and getting the kids some hats and gloves.
12/26/2017 12:38 PM
MUSIC DAYDREAMS..........#3

when will bruce springsteen release reissues of his catalog ? it is long overdue.
12/26/2017 1:01 PM
Posted by dino27 on 12/26/2017 12:13:00 PM (view original):
a common sense type of question...if russia is nothing but a hoax and trump has done nothing wrong then why is he obstructing the investigation and obsessed with having it end....think about it using normal common sense.
If anyone in Washington is dragging their feet, it is the FBI and DOJ turning over documents to Congress. How is Trump obstructing? Do you know FOIAs are still out there for the Obama administration? There is a disagreement on whether or not Mueller got Trump transisition team emails legally.
12/26/2017 10:35 PM
The dossier came thru Fusion GPS, where a high ranking FBI officials wife was on the payroll. According to the WSJ, a major donor of a Trump rival was likely involved, paying to find dirt on Trump. Then the Clinton campaign got on board. Very likely Mueller knows much about this by now. The FBI has all but admitted that they cannot prove much within the dossier is factual. Follow the money, Mister Mueller. Likely to be guilty parties on both sides of the aisle, Democrats and Never-Trumpers. ..

Not sure how much of this i believe, but maybe this is credible...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html
12/26/2017 11:15 PM (edited)
Posted by dino27 on 12/26/2017 12:38:00 PM (view original):
the tax cuts is like the parents getting themselves an expensive sports car for christmas and getting the kids some hats and gloves.
You will never find where wealth is accumulated where the rich get none. They put up the money to fund business, and take on the risk. They are the job creators, the investors, and pay the bulk of the taxes. The wealthy will make money. If the middle class get a tax cut, which they are, that is a good thing. Hopefully the middle class grows, which will be a reverse of the current trend.

You can't expect the wealthy to take it up the ***, and at the same time invest...there must be incentive for them to make and spend money. We in the middle class benefit thru job growth and hopefully higher wages. Retirement plans are doing well with the upswing in the stock market. That benefits individuals, pensions and unions. Many funds have gained 20% in the past year. Significant. Millions of Americans that aren't gozillionaires are benefiting.

Job growth creates competition for employers. The more desperate they are, the better the job offer you'll get. Higher labor participation also means fewer require govt assistance, which eases the burden on our taxes to provide said relief. We did build it, and we're making it ******* fly right again.
12/26/2017 11:05 PM (edited)
People will not die from tax cuts. Nancy Pelosi is more batshit crazy than ever.
12/26/2017 11:00 PM
What bothers me is not the dossier as much as if they used it to spy, not knowing if what was in it was a hoax? How can you provide as evidence to a FISA court? That smells fishy. For this I don't care how long Mueller digs. And the 8 days prior to leaving office, Obama loosened the rules on sharing info between intel agencies. There's a reason it happened. Why?

My gut tells me Clapper will hang. He boldfaced lied to Congress years ago. I'm curious to see how deep he is in all this...

I hope he goes like the warden in Shawshank....sorry, I just think he's a crooked POS. ..
12/26/2017 11:33 PM (edited)
Posted by DoctorKz on 12/26/2017 11:15:00 PM (view original):
The dossier came thru Fusion GPS, where a high ranking FBI officials wife was on the payroll. According to the WSJ, a major donor of a Trump rival was likely involved, paying to find dirt on Trump. Then the Clinton campaign got on board. Very likely Mueller knows much about this by now. The FBI has all but admitted that they cannot prove much within the dossier is factual. Follow the money, Mister Mueller. Likely to be guilty parties on both sides of the aisle, Democrats and Never-Trumpers. ..

Not sure how much of this i believe, but maybe this is credible...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html
That's a good link.

So this sort of research is common and legal.

The research on Trump was initially funded by a Rubio-supporting conservative website, and then after Rubio dropped out was picked up by the Hillary campaign, at which point the Steele dossier entered the picture.

The Clinton campaign sneakily tried to distance itself from the research (denying any connection to it, trying to hide payments for it).

I guess some folks feel this renders everything in the dossier "fake news" and vindicates Trump. Hillary sneaky = Trump innocent. That sort of logic.

Well, it's something, I guess. As is Trump picking up somebody's hat.
12/26/2017 11:37 PM (edited)
Within the dossier it mentions Carter Page's Russia trip. Was nothing secret about it, was well documented. Cohen, Trump's attorney, debunked his involvement by showing his passport. He was in another country. Some other Cohen was there. They allege Trump was with hookers. Some other crap. Hardly the Watergate Tapes...
12/26/2017 11:37 PM
The Cohen thing was definitely an error, you're right.

Nobody ever said the dossier was 100% correct.
12/26/2017 11:38 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 12/26/2017 11:15:00 PM (view original):
The dossier came thru Fusion GPS, where a high ranking FBI officials wife was on the payroll. According to the WSJ, a major donor of a Trump rival was likely involved, paying to find dirt on Trump. Then the Clinton campaign got on board. Very likely Mueller knows much about this by now. The FBI has all but admitted that they cannot prove much within the dossier is factual. Follow the money, Mister Mueller. Likely to be guilty parties on both sides of the aisle, Democrats and Never-Trumpers. ..

Not sure how much of this i believe, but maybe this is credible...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html
I don't think the FBI has admitted that at all.

Here's an article from this month in The Guardian:

Nine months after its first appearance, the set of intelligence reports known as the Steele dossier, one of the most explosive documents in modern political history, is still hanging over Washington, casting a shadow over the Trump administration that has only grown darker as time has gone by.

It was reported this week that the document’s author, former British intelligence official, Christopher Steele, has been interviewed by investigators working for the special counsel on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The Senate and House intelligence committees are, meanwhile, asking to see Steele to make up their own mind about his findings. The ranking Democrat on the House committee, Adam Schiff, said that the dossier was “a very important and useful guide to help us figure out what we need to look into”.

The fact that Steele’s reports are being taken seriously after lengthy scrutiny by federal and congressional investigators has far-reaching implications.

Originally commissioned by a private firm as opposition research by Donald Trump’s Republican and then Democratic opponents, they cite a range of unnamed sources, in Russia and the US, who describe the Kremlin’s cultivation over many years of the man who now occupies the Oval Office – and the systematic collusion of Trump’s associates with Moscow to help get him there.

The question of collusion is at the heart of the various investigations into links between Trump and Moscow. Even a senior Republican, Richard Burr, the chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, admitted this week it was an open question.

Burr said his committee needed to talk Steele himself to assess the dossier properly and urged him to speak to its members or staff. According to an NBC report on Friday, Steele had expressed willingness to meet the committee’s leaders.

In his remarks this week, Burr said his committee had come to a consensus in supporting the conclusions of a US intelligence community assessment in January this year that Russian had conducted a multi-pronged campaign to interfere in the 2016 election, in Trump’s favour.

It is a finding that echoes the reports that Steele was producing seven months earlier. Trump has called the assessment a “hoax”, but there is no sign the three agencies that came to that conclusion, the CIA, FBI and NSA, have had any second thoughts in the intervening months.

“Many of my former CIA colleagues have taken [the Steele] reports seriously since they were first published,” wrote John Sipher, a former senior officer in the CIA’s National Clandestine Service on the Just Security website.

“This is not because they are not fond of Trump (and many admittedly are not), but because they understand the potential plausibility of the reports’ overall narrative based on their experienced understanding of both Russian methods and the nature of raw intelligence reporting.”

Sipher emphasised the “raw” nature of the reports, aimed at conveying an accurate account of what sources are saying, rather than claiming to be a definitive summary of events. There are spelling mistakes and rough edges. Several of the episodes it described remain entirely unverified.

But as every passing month brings more leaks, revelations in the press, and more progress in the investigations, the Steele dossier has generally gained in credibility, rather than lost it.

One of the more striking recent developments was the disclosure of a meeting on 9 June 2016 in Trump Tower involving Trump’s son, Donald Jr, and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, with a Russian lawyer closely tied to the government, Natalia Veselnitskaya.

After the meeting was first reported on 8 July this year, the president’s son claimed (in a statement dictated, it turned out, by his father) that it had been about adoptions of Russian children by Americans.

The next day that was exposed as a lie, with the publication of emails that made it clear that Veselnitskaya was offering damaging material on Hillary Clinton, that an intermediary setting up the meeting said was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump”.

If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer,” Donald Trump Jr replied.

Just 11 days after that meeting – but more than a year before it became public – Steele quoted a source as saying that “the Kremlin had been feeding Trump and his team valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton”, for several years.

A later report, dated 19 July 2016, said: “Speaking in confidence to a compatriot in late July 2016, Source E, an ethnic Russian close associate of Republican US presidential candidate Donald Trump, admitted that there was a well-developed conspiracy of cooperation between them and the Russian leadership.”

The report said that such contacts were handled on Trump’s end by his then campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who participated in the 9 June Trump Tower meeting.

Manafort has denied taking part in any collusion with the Russian state, but registered himself as a foreign agent retroactively after it was revealed his firm received more than $17m working as a lobbyist for a pro-Russian Ukrainian party. He is a subject of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and in July the FBI raided his home in Virginia.

Other key protagonists in the Steele dossier have surfaced in subsequent disclosures and investigation. Two of them, an Azeri-Russian businessman Araz Agalarov and his son Emin, are described in emails released by Donald Trump Jr as offering to serve as intermediaries in passing on damaging material on Clinton and is reported to have help set up the Trump Tower meeting.

Another key figure in the Steele dossier is Carter Page, an energy consultant who Trump named as one of his foreign policy advisors. Steele’s sources describe him as an “intermediary” between Manafort and Moscow, who had met a Putin lieutenant and head of the Russian energy giant, Rosneft, and a senior Kremlin official, Igor Diveykin.

Page denied meeting either man on his trips to Moscow, which he has said were for business purposes and not connected to his role in the Trump campaign.

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Nonetheless, he has become a focus of investigation: it was reported in April that that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issued an order last year for his communication to be monitored. To obtain the order, investigators would have to demonstrate “probable cause” to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power. Page has said he welcomed the news of the order as it demonstrated he was being made a scapegoat of the investigation.

Elsewhere, a Steele memo in September 2016 mentions a “Mikhail Kulagin” who had been withdrawn from the Russian embassy in Washington because of his “heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation”.

There was no diplomat of that name at the mission, but there was a Mikhail Kalugin; five months later, it emerged that he had left the embassy in August 2016.

McClatchy reported he was under investigation for his role in Russia’s interference in the campaign. The BBC reported that the US had identified Kalugin as a spy.

More recently, there has been a slew of revelations about the role of disinformation spread by Russians and other eastern Europeans posing as Americans on social media. The New York Times reported that hundreds and possibly thousands of Russian-linked fake accounts and bots on Facebook and Twitter were used to spread anti-Clinton stories and messages.

Facebook disclosed that it had shut down several hundred accounts that it believes were fabricated by a Kremlin-linked Russian company to buy $100,000 in ads that often promoted racial and other divisive issues during the campaign.

This week, Facebook handed over to Congress 3,000 ads bought by a Russian organisation during the campaign, and it was reported that many of those ads, some of them Islamophobic, were specifically targeted on swing states, Michigan and Wisconsin.

A Steele memo from August 2016 states that after Russia’s hand had been discovered in the hacking of Democratic party emails and passing them to WikiLeaks for publication, another avenue of influence would be explored.

The memo says “the tactics would be to spread rumours and misinformation about the content of what already had been leaked and make up new content”.

The Russian official alleged by Steele’s sources to be in charge of the operation, Sergei Ivanov – then Putin’s chief of staff – is quoted as saying: “The audience to be targeted by such operations was the educated youth in America as the PA [Russian Presidential Administration] assessed that there was still a chance they could be persuaded to vote for Republican candidate Donald Trump as a protest against the Washington establishment (in the form of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton).”

The Steele dossier said one of the aims of the Russian influence campaign was to peel off voters who had supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries and nudge them towards Trump.

Evidence has since emerged that Russians and eastern Europeans posing as Americans targeted Sanders supporters with divisive and anti-Clinton messages in the summer of 2016, after the primaries were over.

There are other details in the Steele dossier that have echoed in subsequent news reports, but there are also several claims and accounts for which no supporting evidence has emerged.

The startling claim that Trump was filmed with prostitutes while staying at a Moscow hotel in November 2013, when he was staging the Miss Universe contest there, has not been substantiated in any way.

Nor has the allegation that Trump’s lawyer and vice-president of the Trump Organisation, Michael Cohen, travelled to Prague in August 2013 to conspire with a senior Russian official. In a letter to the House intelligence committee, Cohen said he never went to Prague and took issue with a string of other claims in the dossier.

It has however emerged that Cohen was involved in exploring a real estate deal in Moscow for the Trump Organisation while the campaign was in full swing. He has been summoned to appear in open hearing before the Senate intelligence committee later this month.

The Steele dossier, its author and the firm who hired him, Fusion GPS, have become favoured targets for Trump’s loyalists on Capitol Hill. They point to the fact that the genesis of the documents was a paid commission to find damaging facts about Trump.

But the dossier has not faded from view. Instead, it appears to be growing in significance as the investigations have gathered pace.

12/26/2017 11:41 PM
Yet people scream impeach. Hysteria. Calm down, see what the Wizard reveals from behind the curtain. Mueller could be digging till 2020. Who knows..,I think Kenneth Starr took a few years. Then we heard about cigars and cum stained blue dresses...after looking at a real estate deal. Who knew?
12/26/2017 11:43 PM
Posted by DoctorKz on 12/26/2017 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Within the dossier it mentions Carter Page's Russia trip. Was nothing secret about it, was well documented. Cohen, Trump's attorney, debunked his involvement by showing his passport. He was in another country. Some other Cohen was there. They allege Trump was with hookers. Some other crap. Hardly the Watergate Tapes...
If Cohen flew into Italy(the other country), and drove to the Czech Republic, there would be no stamp. This is a very simple thing to do.
12/26/2017 11:43 PM
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