Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 12/30/2017 1:30:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying you're wrong that IQ affects rebounding. I'm saying that you have no idea how to run an experiment to get a reliable conclusion.
I don't care what you're saying now. I want you searching for that post where I'm providing misinformation about HD.
Well I remember you talking about the impact of home court advantage awhile back. Saying that based upon some games you had during one particular season that home court advantage is worth 2-3 points.
12/30/2017 1:34 PM
Do not question the great MikeT23 for he knows all.
12/30/2017 1:37 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:21:00 PM (view original):
Why do tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum care what conclusions I draw or the sample size or the obvious flaws?

I'll play 13-14 games in M2M with the big difference in IQ. Then I'll finish the season in 3-2 zone with the same IQs. I expect the REB between two similar players to become more similar with equal IQ. If it happens, it works for ME. If it doesn't, I guess you can say "YOU WERE WRONG!!!" while ignoring the comments you've made saying that nothing will be proven.
Thing is, we won’t be able to say you were wrong because there will be no way to know if the rebounding difference had/has anything to do with IQ.
Aren't you already saying I'm wrong? What is going to stop you from doing it again in 3 weeks?
I’m not saying you’re wrong about IQ affecting rebounds, I’m saying your methodology is ******. You won’t get an answer regardless of the results.
12/30/2017 1:39 PM
You're not even measuring it properly. You need to use Reb %
12/30/2017 1:41 PM
So mike is running a poorly run experiment to prove something that the developers have said is fact?
12/30/2017 1:44 PM
Posted by Benis on 12/30/2017 1:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 12/30/2017 1:30:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying you're wrong that IQ affects rebounding. I'm saying that you have no idea how to run an experiment to get a reliable conclusion.
I don't care what you're saying now. I want you searching for that post where I'm providing misinformation about HD.
Well I remember you talking about the impact of home court advantage awhile back. Saying that based upon some games you had during one particular season that home court advantage is worth 2-3 points.
If you want to dig it up, please do. But you'll be wrong. I said, using home/away games each season, that it appears to be 2-3 points on most but it can vary. IOW, I provided the basis/information for my thought so anyone could confirm/dispute it as they saw fit. I did not say "Home court advantage is worth 2-3 points" and stop at that point.

Try again.
12/30/2017 1:48 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:21:00 PM (view original):
Why do tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum care what conclusions I draw or the sample size or the obvious flaws?

I'll play 13-14 games in M2M with the big difference in IQ. Then I'll finish the season in 3-2 zone with the same IQs. I expect the REB between two similar players to become more similar with equal IQ. If it happens, it works for ME. If it doesn't, I guess you can say "YOU WERE WRONG!!!" while ignoring the comments you've made saying that nothing will be proven.
Thing is, we won’t be able to say you were wrong because there will be no way to know if the rebounding difference had/has anything to do with IQ.
Aren't you already saying I'm wrong? What is going to stop you from doing it again in 3 weeks?
I’m not saying you’re wrong about IQ affecting rebounds, I’m saying your methodology is ******. You won’t get an answer regardless of the results.
I think I will. Why do you care?
12/30/2017 1:48 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/30/2017 1:44:00 PM (view original):
So mike is running a poorly run experiment to prove something that the developers have said is fact?
Why do you care?
12/30/2017 1:49 PM
Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/30/2017 1:44:00 PM (view original):
So mike is running a poorly run experiment to prove something that the developers have said is fact?
Pretty much. Gives us something to laugh about at least.
12/30/2017 1:50 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:21:00 PM (view original):
Why do tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum care what conclusions I draw or the sample size or the obvious flaws?

I'll play 13-14 games in M2M with the big difference in IQ. Then I'll finish the season in 3-2 zone with the same IQs. I expect the REB between two similar players to become more similar with equal IQ. If it happens, it works for ME. If it doesn't, I guess you can say "YOU WERE WRONG!!!" while ignoring the comments you've made saying that nothing will be proven.
Thing is, we won’t be able to say you were wrong because there will be no way to know if the rebounding difference had/has anything to do with IQ.
Aren't you already saying I'm wrong? What is going to stop you from doing it again in 3 weeks?
I’m not saying you’re wrong about IQ affecting rebounds, I’m saying your methodology is ******. You won’t get an answer regardless of the results.
I think I will. Why do you care?
It’s not really a matter of opinion.

12/30/2017 1:53 PM
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 12/30/2017 1:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 12/30/2017 1:30:00 PM (view original):
I'm not saying you're wrong that IQ affects rebounding. I'm saying that you have no idea how to run an experiment to get a reliable conclusion.
I don't care what you're saying now. I want you searching for that post where I'm providing misinformation about HD.
Well I remember you talking about the impact of home court advantage awhile back. Saying that based upon some games you had during one particular season that home court advantage is worth 2-3 points.
If you want to dig it up, please do. But you'll be wrong. I said, using home/away games each season, that it appears to be 2-3 points on most but it can vary. IOW, I provided the basis/information for my thought so anyone could confirm/dispute it as they saw fit. I did not say "Home court advantage is worth 2-3 points" and stop at that point.

Try again.
Ah I was wrong. You said 3-5 points.

Based off of the point spread.
12/30/2017 1:53 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:15:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mullycj on 12/30/2017 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 12:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mullycj on 12/30/2017 10:06:00 AM (view original):
Posted by thewizard17 on 12/29/2017 2:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/29/2017 2:30:00 PM (view original):
WE also plays a role in rebounding.
Back in the old days of HD, WE did play a part in the game. A high WE would give a small boost.

At some point around 2008 or 2009, they stated that WE would no longer play a part in the game and it would just be limited to improving skills and IQ.
There is so much misinformation in this thread I am not sure where to start.....

"WE" NEVER mattered to anything except ratings and IQ growth.

There was a time when some moron 1st level CS representatives gave out false information about WE affecting game play but Tarek later said those tickets/answers were incorrect.
I read it in an old dev chat.
Dig it up, share it, then I will dig up a quote from tarek saying otherwise
Super old, 4/5/2005:

Can you explain the work ethic player attribute? Specifically, does work ethic only affect the ability of the player to improve their other ratings through practice, game time, and the like or does it also translate to intangibles, such as going harder after loose balls in games? Thanks, bistiza (bistiza - Hall of Famer - 7:00 PM)

Work ethic is used for more than player skill improvement - guys that have high work ethic will, all else being equal, be better rebounders (especially offensively) and better defenders.

From 2007

I thought work ethic had more impact than just desire to improve - for example, two otherwise identical centers with differing WE would have differing potential to collect the same rebound. Not so? (kcsundevil - Hall of Famer - 3:58 PM)

I think initially did play a small role in rebounding but it does not impact rebounding now. Work ethic can be thought of as a general willingness to want to improve whereas rebounding and defensive ratings are more indicative of the player's willingness to work at that aspect of the game.

Notice he says "I think". I cant find my ticket, but since the game engine did not change between 2005 and 2007 I asked how this could have changed. He basically responded that the 2005 quote was not correct.
12/30/2017 1:56 PM
12/30/2017 2:05 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 12/30/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 12/30/2017 1:21:00 PM (view original):
Why do tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum care what conclusions I draw or the sample size or the obvious flaws?

I'll play 13-14 games in M2M with the big difference in IQ. Then I'll finish the season in 3-2 zone with the same IQs. I expect the REB between two similar players to become more similar with equal IQ. If it happens, it works for ME. If it doesn't, I guess you can say "YOU WERE WRONG!!!" while ignoring the comments you've made saying that nothing will be proven.
Thing is, we won’t be able to say you were wrong because there will be no way to know if the rebounding difference had/has anything to do with IQ.
Aren't you already saying I'm wrong? What is going to stop you from doing it again in 3 weeks?
I’m not saying you’re wrong about IQ affecting rebounds, I’m saying your methodology is ******. You won’t get an answer regardless of the results.
I think I will. Why do you care?
It’s not really a matter of opinion.

It really is. If I say "Fire isn't hot" and believe it, it's not hot to ME. Which is the point.
12/30/2017 2:13 PM
Um ok. I think someone already pointed out that it doesn’t impact REB anymore.
12/30/2017 2:13 PM
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