Someone remind me - does GBFB not affect how many HRs a pitcher allows? The reason I ask is because Harold Hawkins is currently 2nd worst on my Vegas team in HRs allowed with 27 despite a 96 GB/FB rating.

The ratings all work together. Harold's poor splits cancel out his GB/FB.

Posted by pjfoster13 on 12/30/2017 10:04:00 PM (view original):
Gbfb itself has no bearing whatsoever on hr rate. There are other forum posts you can search for that address this topic

If you read those other forum post you will see there is debate on this subject. I believe the gb/fb rating does have some effect on number of HRs given up but as with most ratings, it depends on what other ratings the player has as they all work together to a certain extent.

Posted by pjfoster13 on 12/30/2017 10:04:00 PM (view original):
Gbfb itself has no bearing whatsoever on hr rate. There are other forum posts you can search for that address this topic

This is wrong. By itself, a pitcher with a 100 for GB/FB Tendency will average about .15 less HRs every 9 IP compared to another pitcher with a GB/FB Tendency of 50, all things else being equal. That's about 3-4 HRs over the course of a season, which is negligible and means any comparison between any pair of pitchers could likely be due to random noise . However, when compared to other ratings, GB/FB is fifth on the list when it comes to impact on HR rate. Splits, control and individual pitches have stronger impacts on reducing a pitchers HR rate than GB/FB does.

Of course it does. A groundball cannot leave the park.

More bad forum advice from pj.

Shocking.

Posted by pjfoster13 on 12/31/2017 9:46:00 AM (view original):
In real life it does, in this game it does not.

In this game it is only the ratio of ground ball outs to fly ball outs, not the ratio of ground ball hits to fly ball hits. It is only used in one half of the decision tree, the out half

Ps tec I thought you quit this game, what do you still care for? Get lost

pj,

Bite me.

Happy New Year.

Tec

Anecdotal evidence: For about ten seasons, my Portland staff's top two starters had GB/FB ratings of 29 and 93.

During that time, the 29 guy had a Groundball ratio of .9:1. The 93 guy, 2:1.

The 29 guy gave up about 300 HRs, the 93 guy about 200.

But in every other way, the 29 guy put up consistently better stats all the way around. Similar control, but the 29 guy had superior vsR and great pitch ratings.

I find GBFB and Velocity to be way more cosmetic then anything. I'm sure you could make an arguement that in close tiebreakers a GB pitcher is better, and for closers velocity is probably important. But that's like 2% when compared to 75% splits, 18% first and second pitch and 5% control.

Posted by mbriese on 12/30/2017 7:14:00 PM (view original):
Someone remind me - does GBFB not affect how many HRs a pitcher allows? The reason I ask is because Harold Hawkins is currently 2nd worst on my Vegas team in HRs allowed with 27 despite a 96 GB/FB rating.

What is his ground ball stats? flyball to ground ball ratio and percentage?
Also, I think park factor has a lot to do with home runs as well.

Posted by hockey1984 on 12/31/2017 11:37:00 AM (view original):
I find GBFB and Velocity to be way more cosmetic then anything. I'm sure you could make an arguement that in close tiebreakers a GB pitcher is better, and for closers velocity is probably important. But that's like 2% when compared to 75% splits, 18% first and second pitch and 5% control.

Velocity is actually rather important. If a pitcher has high velocity a higher percentage of his outs will be strikeouts. All things being equal, a pitcher with a higher velocity will be a better pitcher than the one with lower velocity.

Posted by hockey1984 on 12/31/2017 11:37:00 AM (view original):
I find GBFB and Velocity to be way more cosmetic then anything. I'm sure you could make an arguement that in close tiebreakers a GB pitcher is better, and for closers velocity is probably important. But that's like 2% when compared to 75% splits, 18% first and second pitch and 5% control.

Gbfb and velocity are both ERA modifiers and they're both good. If your pitcher is high Vel and low gb you can actually afford to play a more offensive shortstop and 2B