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Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 1:28:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 12:13:00 PM (view original):
I LIVED IT!!! Why would I simulate it?

We walked around at night looking for furniture people threw away to take back to our apartment. We were poor! Food stamps poor!!!!

You and your dumbass simulations.

And you made it out. How did you graduate high school?

I went to class, did my homework and passed the tests.

Did you have a school with adequate teachers and facilities that set you up for success?

IDK it was a normal school. My parents were the ones that told me to go to class, do homework and pass tests. It is not the school's responsibility to parent, it is the parents. Schools get plenty of funding even those in poorer and or rural areas but the parents have to get the kids there, make sure they do their studies (check their homework, help them study, etc.)

Race is irrelevant it is pure culture.

And here is where the problem lies, because most kids in poverty nowadays DON'T GET THAT. Most kids in poverty don't have their parents around and even if they did poverty is generational so it is likely they never had a good schooling. Multiply that with the fact that most schools in impoverished neighborhoods have very few resources and are terrible, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 1:43:00 PM (view original):
My niece is a teacher:

https://www.teachforamerica.org/

This organization is fairly prevalent. She is like you, tangplay, a liberal who believes we have institutional racism, etc. But she also admits that it is due to poor parenting that certain kids don't make it. She taught in the poorest of poor areas near New Orleans until coming back to Boston and stated those with involved parents did well and those whose parents did not care did not do as well. She said they had plenty of funding for books, supplies and even lunches were provided. She got paid well and she has her MBA and is very bright. The Government does care and do support programs for those in poorer areas but parents still need to parent.

a) Most kids in poverty don't have good parents
b) Her school may be an outlier. Most states do not meet standard levels of funding fairness in schools, it is a well-known fact.

No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

http://www.heritage.org/education/report/the-myth-racial-disparities-public-school-funding

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
http://www.heritage.org/education/report/the-myth-racial-disparities-public-school-funding

That is talking about per-district, which would obviously level out. I was talking about within district.

Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

Correct. But if you follow these steps you will not be poor:

1. Graduate High School
2. Don't be a single parent
3. Get a job

I want to drive a Ferrari but I cannot afford it. So guess what? I don't drive a Ferrari.

Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 2:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
http://www.heritage.org/education/report/the-myth-racial-disparities-public-school-funding

That is talking about per-district, which would obviously level out. I was talking about within district.

Talk to your congressman

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

Correct. But if you follow these steps you will not be poor:

1. Graduate High School
2. Don't be a single parent
3. Get a job

I want to drive a Ferrari but I cannot afford it. So guess what? I don't drive a Ferrari.

That's a pretty terrible thing to say.

And we have established that #'s 1 and 3 are not that simple.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 2:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:12:00 PM (view original):
http://www.heritage.org/education/report/the-myth-racial-disparities-public-school-funding

That is talking about per-district, which would obviously level out. I was talking about within district.

Talk to your congressman

Yes because my say matters... hahahahahah funny

Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

If you can't afford to have children, then don't have children.
Don't rely on charity or the Government to provide for your child.
This should be common sense to everyone (but is sadly very far from it, as people actually use having children to supplement their income).

Posted by all3 on 1/2/2018 5:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

If you can't afford to have children, then don't have children.
Don't rely on charity or the Government to provide for your child.
This should be common sense to everyone (but is sadly very far from it, as people actually use having children to supplement their income).

Poverty is generational. If someone is in poverty it is likely that it is because of their parents. So what you are saying is that some people are just doomed not to have children.

Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/2/2018 2:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

Correct. But if you follow these steps you will not be poor:

1. Graduate High School
2. Don't be a single parent
3. Get a job

I want to drive a Ferrari but I cannot afford it. So guess what? I don't drive a Ferrari.

That's a pretty terrible thing to say.

And we have established that #'s 1 and 3 are not that simple.

That's not a terrible thing to say. It goes back to choices. Choices come with consequences. Having a kid because you want to have a kid is an emotional decision. Sometimes you have to take emotion out of the decision making process and think logically and wisely.

#1 is really easy. Go to class, do your homework, pretend like you're paying attention and you pass. Nothing difficult about that.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

If you can't afford to have children, then don't have children.
Don't rely on charity or the Government to provide for your child.
This should be common sense to everyone (but is sadly very far from it, as people actually use having children to supplement their income).

Poverty is generational. If someone is in poverty it is likely that it is because of their parents. So what you are saying is that some people are just doomed not to have children.

Sorry, but I gotta call Bullsh*t on that one. If you want children bad enough, and can't afford them, then you'll work hard to make changes so you can afford them. That might delay having them, and/or cut down on the number of them, but I don't think either of those things are bad for the individual or for our society. Certainly not anywhere near as bad as 20-somethings pumping-out child after child so they can get more and more subsidies, that are frequently turned into drugs and/or alcohol instead of child items.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/2/2018 2:10:00 PM (view original):
No and no. Don't you agree that the issue is having single parents and not the schools? If you cannot afford to have kids then don't HAVE THEM!!! I wanted to have 10 kids but we settled for two due to the cost of having kids. It doesn't take a genius to realize that kids are expensive. I don't feel sorry for those that choose to have kids when they have no business having them. I am sorry.

So if you are poor, don't have kids.

Correct. But if you follow these steps you will not be poor:

1. Graduate High School
2. Don't be a single parent
3. Get a job

I want to drive a Ferrari but I cannot afford it. So guess what? I don't drive a Ferrari.

That's a pretty terrible thing to say.

And we have established that #'s 1 and 3 are not that simple.

That's not a terrible thing to say. It goes back to choices. Choices come with consequences. Having a kid because you want to have a kid is an emotional decision. Sometimes you have to take emotion out of the decision making process and think logically and wisely.

#1 is really easy. Go to class, do your homework, pretend like you're paying attention and you pass. Nothing difficult about that.

So break your family line because whoops your parents sucked!