Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Well, when I did a regression analysis of 14 seasons of all three levels and I figured in SIM OWNERSHIP I found the chi value of the IQ value to with in a STD DEV of the mean for all IQ's effect on TOs/possession in relation to their distro setting and fatigue.

Seriously, what do you want me to say? I have successful teams at all levels using EVERY offense and to claim one offense needs a B+ to be efficient and another is C+ is contrary to everything I have noticed. There are like a million factors, IQ is hard to isolate but I can say I have had reasonably efficient scorers against VERY HIGH level competition score reasonably efficiently in a fastbreak at B- (ish) IQ.

Well, ****, with far less experience and work on the matter, I can say "This is utter horseshit". If you're going to dispute something, which may or may not be "utter horseshit", even the tiniest bit of reason would be nice.

In fact, I may just follow you around and, after every post you make on the game, I might just post "This is utter horseshit" and never open the thread again.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Well, when I did a regression analysis of 14 seasons of all three levels and I figured in SIM OWNERSHIP I found the chi value of the IQ value to with in a STD DEV of the mean for all IQ's effect on TOs/possession in relation to their distro setting and fatigue.

Seriously, what do you want me to say? I have successful teams at all levels using EVERY offense and to claim one offense needs a B+ to be efficient and another is C+ is contrary to everything I have noticed. There are like a million factors, IQ is hard to isolate but I can say I have had reasonably efficient scorers against VERY HIGH level competition score reasonably efficiently in a fastbreak at B- (ish) IQ.

1. Agree there are a # of factors that contribute to efficient play
2. Agree that job resume/experince is probably the only constsnt for evaluating posts/ information given
3. Ultimately it will come down to the player in how they implement information shared

This ID does not have NT or the success that TJ does (and the dormant, deactivated ID has a F4 but no NT). I did have a mentor early, and he advocated what I posted.

And I was open to being corrected.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2018 3:34:00 PM (view original):
In fact, I may just follow you around and, after every post you make on the game, I might just post "This is utter horseshit" and never open the thread again.

Honestly, that would greatly improve the quality of your posting

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/7/2018 3:02:00 PM (view original):
Flex C+ is an efficient, effective, viable player. For a FB player to have the same efficiency would have to be a (approx) B+.

Motion ~ B-
Tri ~ B

Not trying to be a dick or anything but it seems like you're pulling this out of your ***. What evidence, data or information do you have that it could possibly work like this?

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2018 3:34:00 PM (view original):
In fact, I may just follow you around and, after every post you make on the game, I might just post "This is utter horseshit" and never open the thread again.

Honestly, that would greatly improve the quality of your posting

I'm supportive of this change in posting from MiniT.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2018 3:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):
You are of course correct. Logic and evidence are important but in situations like this you need to rely on intuition a little as well.

This is utter horseshit.

Okay there's your one 'utter horseshit' comment. Now you can't open the thread anymore.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2018 3:34:00 PM (view original):
In fact, I may just follow you around and, after every post you make on the game, I might just post "This is utter horseshit" and never open the thread again.

Honestly, that would greatly improve the quality of your posting

Sez the guy who brought us "This is utter horseshit" as a counter-argument.

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/7/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Well, when I did a regression analysis of 14 seasons of all three levels and I figured in SIM OWNERSHIP I found the chi value of the IQ value to with in a STD DEV of the mean for all IQ's effect on TOs/possession in relation to their distro setting and fatigue.

Seriously, what do you want me to say? I have successful teams at all levels using EVERY offense and to claim one offense needs a B+ to be efficient and another is C+ is contrary to everything I have noticed. There are like a million factors, IQ is hard to isolate but I can say I have had reasonably efficient scorers against VERY HIGH level competition score reasonably efficiently in a fastbreak at B- (ish) IQ.

1. Agree there are a # of factors that contribute to efficient play
2. Agree that job resume/experince is probably the only constsnt for evaluating posts/ information given
3. Ultimately it will come down to the player in how they implement information shared

This ID does not have NT or the success that TJ does (and the dormant, deactivated ID has a F4 but no NT). I did have a mentor early, and he advocated what I posted.

And I was open to being corrected.

I can't post a meaningful reply to this right now but I think components of the idea are accurate. I think you can get away with lower IQs in certain situations and in certain roles.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/7/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Well, when I did a regression analysis of 14 seasons of all three levels and I figured in SIM OWNERSHIP I found the chi value of the IQ value to with in a STD DEV of the mean for all IQ's effect on TOs/possession in relation to their distro setting and fatigue.

Seriously, what do you want me to say? I have successful teams at all levels using EVERY offense and to claim one offense needs a B+ to be efficient and another is C+ is contrary to everything I have noticed. There are like a million factors, IQ is hard to isolate but I can say I have had reasonably efficient scorers against VERY HIGH level competition score reasonably efficiently in a fastbreak at B- (ish) IQ.

1. Agree there are a # of factors that contribute to efficient play
2. Agree that job resume/experince is probably the only constsnt for evaluating posts/ information given
3. Ultimately it will come down to the player in how they implement information shared

This ID does not have NT or the success that TJ does (and the dormant, deactivated ID has a F4 but no NT). I did have a mentor early, and he advocated what I posted.

And I was open to being corrected.

I can't post a meaningful reply to this right now but I think components of the idea are accurate. I think you can get away with lower IQs in certain situations and in certain roles.

This is utter horseshit.

Posted by CoachSpud on 1/7/2018 3:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/7/2018 2:18:00 PM (view original):
(holds nose and says ...) I agree with l80/Spud. I do not agree that each attribute is adjusted by the IQ. Instead I calculate an "overall" player rating, based on POS/role then adjust for IQ. Additionally, I think not all IQ are the same - a C+ in Flex is way different than a C+ in FB. Finally while do not think it is linear, linear is easier to calculate, and the difference is not so great as to change strategic reasoning.

Also not all A+ are equal, and is possible for an A+ to play "greater" than their rating.

And now I wait to be corrected.

As you wish ... I haven't participated in this thread and don't think it is worth trying to calculate precisely how IQ effects anything else except W's.

wtf?

You feed his insane machine every time you respond to that nonsense. You DO understand this, right?

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2018 3:50:00 PM (view original):
You feed his insane machine every time you respond to that nonsense. You DO understand this, right?

Are you referring to yourself or Spud?

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jt2xTTU on 1/7/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Well, when I did a regression analysis of 14 seasons of all three levels and I figured in SIM OWNERSHIP I found the chi value of the IQ value to with in a STD DEV of the mean for all IQ's effect on TOs/possession in relation to their distro setting and fatigue.

Seriously, what do you want me to say? I have successful teams at all levels using EVERY offense and to claim one offense needs a B+ to be efficient and another is C+ is contrary to everything I have noticed. There are like a million factors, IQ is hard to isolate but I can say I have had reasonably efficient scorers against VERY HIGH level competition score reasonably efficiently in a fastbreak at B- (ish) IQ.

1. Agree there are a # of factors that contribute to efficient play
2. Agree that job resume/experince is probably the only constsnt for evaluating posts/ information given
3. Ultimately it will come down to the player in how they implement information shared

This ID does not have NT or the success that TJ does (and the dormant, deactivated ID has a F4 but no NT). I did have a mentor early, and he advocated what I posted.

And I was open to being corrected.

I can't post a meaningful reply to this right now but I think components of the idea are accurate. I think you can get away with lower IQs in certain situations and in certain roles.

So conceptually and intuitively, not utter horseshit.

I am watching a football game and typing on my phone; so may not have been as expansive and detailed as your preferred absolute, deterministic view.

I presented it as "I think" not as a "statistically significant conclusion."

Furthermore, I acknowledged there is a range within the grades, and did not close off the possibility that exceptional individual attributes may be more efficient than their grade would suggest.

However in in cubcub 1st poll, comparing player with XRating, but significantly different IQ, then my posts are less utter horseshit as you characterize.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/7/2018 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Well, when I did a regression analysis of 14 seasons of all three levels and I figured in SIM OWNERSHIP I found the chi value of the IQ value to with in a STD DEV of the mean for all IQ's effect on TOs/possession in relation to their distro setting and fatigue.

Seriously, what do you want me to say? I have successful teams at all levels using EVERY offense and to claim one offense needs a B+ to be efficient and another is C+ is contrary to everything I have noticed. There are like a million factors, IQ is hard to isolate but I can say I have had reasonably efficient scorers against VERY HIGH level competition score reasonably efficiently in a fastbreak at B- (ish) IQ.

Wait, are you saying you weren’t able to effectively determine IQ’s importance by comparing two players over 6 games?