Posted by cccp1014 on 1/9/2018 6:14:00 PM (view original):
False equivalency. Better one would be if he ran out of gas. I may leave him there and just drive his poor wife to the hospital.

tang, are you a fan of Michael Moore?

Actually, a better equivalency is if he was just sitting on the side of the road, complaining that the government should provide everyone free transportation to the hospital.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/9/2018 10:23:00 AM (view original):
They should unless the people are not motivated. Places like Home Depot, oil distributors, hospitals are always hiring. People need to be willing to work hard. You are coddling everyone from what I gather and then making excuses for them. America is the land of opportunity but history favors the bold. Sitting at home and watching TV does not help one get out of poverty. Maybe your group should make some connections with local employers and help these people attain well paying jobs? If they are not weighed down by kids and have a high school education or equivalent they should be able to find some solid jobs.

You have this idea that if someone is poor, it's because they do not work hard and therefore deserve to be poor. You probably also think that people who are rich became rich due to their hard work and smarts and therefore deserve to be rich.

This is mostly bullshit. (Obviously, there are lazy poor people and very hard working rich people. But most people are where they are because of the parents they picked.)

Taking this bullshit position allows people to argue that we shouldn't do things to improve inner city schools, provide more social services, etc. It's shameful.

We live in a country that has ridiculous amounts of wealth. It makes no sense that my kid, because he lives in an upper-middle class neighborhood, can go to the public school two blocks away and get an education that rivals the local private schools. The classes are small, the teachers are motivated, they are able to fund raise to pay for specialized art, drama, and music classes. They are even able to deal with kids who are developmentally disabled.

At the same time, not even 5 miles away, there are kids who go to a local public school that completely sucks. They aren't able to fund raise for extra programs. Their classes are bigger and they can't deal with kids with handicaps.

This makes zero sense.

There's a reason economic mobility is so low and it isn't "poor people are just lazy."

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 7:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/9/2018 10:23:00 AM (view original):
They should unless the people are not motivated. Places like Home Depot, oil distributors, hospitals are always hiring. People need to be willing to work hard. You are coddling everyone from what I gather and then making excuses for them. America is the land of opportunity but history favors the bold. Sitting at home and watching TV does not help one get out of poverty. Maybe your group should make some connections with local employers and help these people attain well paying jobs? If they are not weighed down by kids and have a high school education or equivalent they should be able to find some solid jobs.

You have this idea that if someone is poor, it's because they do not work hard and therefore deserve to be poor. You probably also think that people who are rich became rich due to their hard work and smarts and therefore deserve to be rich.

This is mostly bullshit. (Obviously, there are lazy poor people and very hard working rich people. But most people are where they are because of the parents they picked.)

Taking this bullshit position allows people to argue that we shouldn't do things to improve inner city schools, provide more social services, etc. It's shameful.

We live in a country that has ridiculous amounts of wealth. It makes no sense that my kid, because he lives in an upper-middle class neighborhood, can go to the public school two blocks away and get an education that rivals the local private schools. The classes are small, the teachers are motivated, they are able to fund raise to pay for specialized art, drama, and music classes. They are even able to deal with kids who are developmentally disabled.

At the same time, not even 5 miles away, there are kids who go to a local public school that completely sucks. They aren't able to fund raise for extra programs. Their classes are bigger and they can't deal with kids with handicaps.

This makes zero sense.

There's a reason economic mobility is so low and it isn't "poor people are just lazy."

wow, for once Bad_Luck eloquently summarizes a logical statement with a conclusion that I agree with. Congrats.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/9/2018 7:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/9/2018 10:23:00 AM (view original):
They should unless the people are not motivated. Places like Home Depot, oil distributors, hospitals are always hiring. People need to be willing to work hard. You are coddling everyone from what I gather and then making excuses for them. America is the land of opportunity but history favors the bold. Sitting at home and watching TV does not help one get out of poverty. Maybe your group should make some connections with local employers and help these people attain well paying jobs? If they are not weighed down by kids and have a high school education or equivalent they should be able to find some solid jobs.

You have this idea that if someone is poor, it's because they do not work hard and therefore deserve to be poor. You probably also think that people who are rich became rich due to their hard work and smarts and therefore deserve to be rich.

This is mostly bullshit. (Obviously, there are lazy poor people and very hard working rich people. But most people are where they are because of the parents they picked.)

Taking this bullshit position allows people to argue that we shouldn't do things to improve inner city schools, provide more social services, etc. It's shameful.

We live in a country that has ridiculous amounts of wealth. It makes no sense that my kid, because he lives in an upper-middle class neighborhood, can go to the public school two blocks away and get an education that rivals the local private schools. The classes are small, the teachers are motivated, they are able to fund raise to pay for specialized art, drama, and music classes. They are even able to deal with kids who are developmentally disabled.

At the same time, not even 5 miles away, there are kids who go to a local public school that completely sucks. They aren't able to fund raise for extra programs. Their classes are bigger and they can't deal with kids with handicaps.

This makes zero sense.

There's a reason economic mobility is so low and it isn't "poor people are just lazy."

Bull ****. Stop dodging the fact that people make choices and choices come with consequences. Stop making excuses for people. It's unbecoming of you.

As much as I disagree with the top half of your post, I do agree with the bottom half. That's why I feel school choice is so important.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 8:15:00 PM (view original):
As much as I disagree with the top half of your post, I do agree with the bottom half. That's why I feel school choice is so important.

What do you mean by school choice?

That kid that lives in the poor district 5 miles down the road has the option to go to school with the upper, middle class kids. Here in GA, if you live in a failing school district, you can go to school in a different district.

It forces the lousy schools to up their game. Teacher unions are opposed, because they are held accountable for their work. Too bad...they've failed the kids for too long. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of great educators, even within substandard schools. The idea is for parents to have options regarding their kids education.

Yes.

Too bad it doesn't work.

It most certainly works. Y'all must be doing it wrong in the Midwest or wherever you're from.

I will give you a chance to explain why you think it doesn't work. What first hand experience do you have with it not working?

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/9/2018 8:37:00 PM (view original):
That kid that lives in the poor district 5 miles down the road has the option to go to school with the upper, middle class kids. Here in GA, if you live in a failing school district, you can go to school in a different district.

We have that in CA too but it’s not unlimited.

What do you mean it's not unlimited? Are you saying there's restrictions on where kids can go out of district?

There was when I went to school in Cali. even in-district