Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 10:22:00 AM (view original):
Not in the US. But overall yes and they seem to have picked themselves up pretty well. They being we in my case. Again my parents came here with $100 and did not speak English. Somehow they thrived.

In terms of this discussion, the US is what matters. Blacks have had it far worse in the US than any other race or ethnic/religious group.

OK but you just dismissed the fact that my parents came here with $100 and did not speak the language? How did they succeed? Nothing was handed to them. When I was very little we used to walk around on trash day and look for furniture and old TVs. You like to just label by color but never discuss specific situations. Two of my best friends are African American and they despise your type of rhetoric where you paint them all with a broad brush. They also agree that I have faced far more racism than they have, combined. Now we are in MA so it may be isolated and I agree that overall African Americans have it tougher than an average Jewish person. But my parents have had swastikas mailed to them and faced other annoying disturbances.

Are you saying that one example is enough to prove or disprove an idea?

You can't dismiss history. Jews have had it worse than blacks. They overcame their situation. Yes, blacks have had it worse in America, but you can't dismiss history. It is relevant to this discussion. Also blacks have been treated fairly for at least the last 30-40 years in America.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Are you saying that one example is enough to prove or disprove an idea?

I am asking you to discuss one example rather than just broad brush everything. Why do you refuse to do that? Let's discuss my example and then we can discuss the bigger picture? Does that seem equitable to you?

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 11:22:00 AM (view original):
You can't dismiss history. Jews have had it worse than blacks. They overcame their situation. Yes, blacks have had it worse in America, but you can't dismiss history. It is relevant to this discussion. Also blacks have been treated fairly for at least the last 30-40 years in America.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that blacks have been treated fairly for 30-40 years (they haven’t that’s insane).

That’s less than half a lifetime. Are you saying that they aren’t at a disadvantage when they’ve only had a fair shake for a few decades? When there aren’t many black people in leadership positions? When our entire society revolves around white culture?

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 11:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Are you saying that one example is enough to prove or disprove an idea?

I am asking you to discuss one example rather than just broad brush everything. Why do you refuse to do that? Let's discuss my example and then we can discuss the bigger picture? Does that seem equitable to you?

Let’s discuss the poor black person who does everything right and still ends up poor.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 11:22:00 AM (view original):
You can't dismiss history. Jews have had it worse than blacks. They overcame their situation. Yes, blacks have had it worse in America, but you can't dismiss history. It is relevant to this discussion. Also blacks have been treated fairly for at least the last 30-40 years in America.

In your opinion is there more racism toward African Americans now than there was in the 60s? I do not believe so. However in the 60s only 20% of African American kids had one parent. Today it is 70%. This is culture based in my opinion and not race based. Doesn't mean there is not any racism but to me it is far better now than it was in the 60s. Now I was not around then but from what I hear and read it is much better now.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 11:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Are you saying that one example is enough to prove or disprove an idea?

I am asking you to discuss one example rather than just broad brush everything. Why do you refuse to do that? Let's discuss my example and then we can discuss the bigger picture? Does that seem equitable to you?

Let’s discuss the poor black person who does everything right and still ends up poor.

OK give me the name of that person and explain his situation to me. I just gave you a specific example not some nebulous one. Would you agree or disagree that my parents had it very tough when they arrived to the US in the 70s?

Y or N?

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 11:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Are you saying that one example is enough to prove or disprove an idea?

I am asking you to discuss one example rather than just broad brush everything. Why do you refuse to do that? Let's discuss my example and then we can discuss the bigger picture? Does that seem equitable to you?

Let’s discuss the poor black person who does everything right and still ends up poor.

What are your thoughts on Jewish people? You seem to be dodging this.

This is the truth of the situation. The left needs racism. That's why they keep pushing that agenda despite the fact that logic doesn't back it up. Without victims, they have no party. Instead of cheering progress, they are looking for the next social cause, because as I said, without victims they don't have a party.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 10:22:00 AM (view original):
Not in the US. But overall yes and they seem to have picked themselves up pretty well. They being we in my case. Again my parents came here with $100 and did not speak English. Somehow they thrived.

I don't mean to belittle what your parents have achieved. They came here with nothing and have made a successful life. That is very admirable. But, you have to admit that these are entirely different times then when your parents came here. I'd also like to point out that its not always easy to tell if a person is Jewish or not unless they tell you. Its pretty easy to tell if a person is Black, or Hispanic, or Asian without them telling you. It makes it a bit easier to discriminate against them. I am also not belittling what the Jewish people have endured. There is and always has been prejudice against Jewish people and some of what we've endured has been worse than what anyone else has been through. You also said something about how you weren't going to start a "Jewish Lives Matter" movement. Well, I have never read any stories about the police shooting numerous unarmed Jewish people. I'm sure it happens, but not to the extent that unarmed Black people get shot.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:25:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 11:24:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):
Are you saying that one example is enough to prove or disprove an idea?

I am asking you to discuss one example rather than just broad brush everything. Why do you refuse to do that? Let's discuss my example and then we can discuss the bigger picture? Does that seem equitable to you?

Let’s discuss the poor black person who does everything right and still ends up poor.

What are your thoughts on Jewish people? You seem to be dodging this.

???
My...thoughts...on Jewish people?

I don't really have thoughts on Jewish people.

The neighborhood I live in has a relatively high population of Jewish people. My kid's three best friend are all Jewish. What exactly are you asking?

I realized just how much of an advantage I had being white when I was caught with enough meth to send me to jail for 10 years, but instead of booking me, the cop ground it under his foot and told me that this **** went out with Pat Boone, what the hell are you doing with it? He then let me go scott free.


I also once got busted with a big bag of weed in a bowling alley parking lot. The cop asked me if I'd rather go to jail or give the weed the air test. I said air test? He said yeah, watch...and emptied my bag into the wind, letting it scatter all over the parking lot. He then grabbed my pipe and tossed it over someone's backyard fence.

If I'm of color, do you think I'm afforded those two get out of jail free cards? Hell no.

Got pulled over one time going down Edes Street in Oakland....Edes and 98th. Super rough part of Oakland. I was delivering flowers to a business. The officer came to the car and said, kid what are you doing in this part of town? I told him what I was doing. He said, let me follow you to your delivery and then escort you out of here. He then followed me all the way to my desination and then back out to East 14th and back towards San Leandro.

Please don't ever tell me there's no such thing as white privilege. I've seen it first hand, many times.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):
This is the truth of the situation. The left needs racism. That's why they keep pushing that agenda despite the fact that logic doesn't back it up. Without victims, they have no party. Instead of cheering progress, they are looking for the next social cause, because as I said, without victims they don't have a party.

I'm just shocked that your position is that racism doesn't exist.