Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
It seems that the right's argument here is that because people CAN succeed, ot's no big deal. I care about equality.The argument simply cannot be made that all races have equal oppottunity because the stats show that they do not. The issue here is really about whether black people are worse at life overall, whether in large numbers they are more lazy and dependent on whites.

What opportunities are minorities lacking that whites have? The stats that you have posted show that some cultures have been less successful than other cultures. Your stats don't show that some cultures have less opportunity than others.

I mean, that's what I am saying. It's really up to how you percieve things.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:35:00 PM (view original):
Jewish v Black argument: Just to clarify, we are talking strictly in America here, correct?

We’re not really arguing Jewish v Black. We’re arguing does widespread discrimination exist (it does) and does that discrimination have a negative effect on the socioeconomic status of the people it impacts (also yes).

In what Way does widespread discrimination exist? California sounds like a miserable place to live since it sounds like every white there is a racist. Discrimination exists, but it is not widespread.

I think what you think of as discrimination and what discrimination actually is are two different things. At least in the context of what we're talking about.

No one is saying the KKK is riding around lynching people. It's waaaay more subtle.

For example, two teenagers go into a department store. No one pays any attention to the white kid but security follows the black kid around to make sure he doesn't shoplift.

How about because my last name sounds Jewish the landlord will not rent to me? Never even met me. Is that not racism?

Or more overt. "Jewish Banker? Shocking...."

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 1:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Again, the entire premise of your argument is that you think the discrimination that blacks face shouldn’t be enough to hold them down.

Yet, by your own logic, you have no idea how bad it is because you aren’t black.

Why are you ignoring my statement? I just Told you that my black friends stated I face more. And hate how you broad brush it.

Well. isn't that convenient. I have two Jewish friends who say that no Jewish people have ever faced any discrimination at all. Weird. I guess we're at a stalemate.

I call BS. No way. Every Jewish person I know has faced some. Overt or covert. So you are calling me a liar? WOW!

Jesus christ, you are RE-TARD-ED.

Obviously, I wasn't being serious.

One never knows with you. So stop dodging the question. There are a lot more African Americans than Jews. We agree. Also, we agree that Jews do get discriminated against and do not get any special perks. Yet they thrive? How do you explain that?

I am curious to hear your thoughts on the matter. If you can try not to be funny (you weren't).

You mad?

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
It seems that the right's argument here is that because people CAN succeed, ot's no big deal. I care about equality.The argument simply cannot be made that all races have equal oppottunity because the stats show that they do not. The issue here is really about whether black people are worse at life overall, whether in large numbers they are more lazy and dependent on whites.

What opportunities are minorities lacking that whites have? The stats that you have posted show that some cultures have been less successful than other cultures. Your stats don't show that some cultures have less opportunity than others.

I mean, that's what I am saying. It's really up to how you percieve things.

OR how you spell perceive. I am telling you my African American friends have stated that I face more racism and how it is more accepted to discriminate or poke fun at Jewish people. Yet Jewish people thrive. Why is that? In your humble opinion?

I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

If white people have an advantage, doesn't it make sense to acknowledge that advantage and try to set public policy that takes that advantage into account?

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):
It seems that the right's argument here is that because people CAN succeed, ot's no big deal. I care about equality.The argument simply cannot be made that all races have equal oppottunity because the stats show that they do not. The issue here is really about whether black people are worse at life overall, whether in large numbers they are more lazy and dependent on whites.

What opportunities are minorities lacking that whites have? The stats that you have posted show that some cultures have been less successful than other cultures. Your stats don't show that some cultures have less opportunity than others.

I mean, that's what I am saying. It's really up to how you percieve things.

OR how you spell perceive. I am telling you my African American friends have stated that I face more racism and how it is more accepted to discriminate or poke fun at Jewish people. Yet Jewish people thrive. Why is that? In your humble opinion?

I before E except after C, right?

Except for all of the exceptions to the rule.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

If white people have an advantage, doesn't it make sense to acknowledge that advantage and try to set public policy that takes that advantage into account?

This is where we go in totally different directions. I want government to stay as far away from private business as possible. Government does nothing but screw stuff up, both the left and right, so no, we don't need government setting anti-discrimination policy.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

So this is suddenly about the DNC? I agree but what does that have to do with anything?

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

If white people have an advantage, doesn't it make sense to acknowledge that advantage and try to set public policy that takes that advantage into account?

This is where we go in totally different directions. I want government to stay as far away from private business as possible. Government does nothing but screw stuff up, both the left and right, so no, we don't need government setting anti-discrimination policy.

I'm not advocating for a specific solution, but doing nothing and pretending it doesn't exist while telling people impacted by the disadvantage to just suck it up and work harder seems like a bad idea.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

If white people have an advantage, doesn't it make sense to acknowledge that advantage and try to set public policy that takes that advantage into account?

This is where we go in totally different directions. I want government to stay as far away from private business as possible. Government does nothing but screw stuff up, both the left and right, so no, we don't need government setting anti-discrimination policy.

So... Even if it is broke, don't fix it?

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2018 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

If white people have an advantage, doesn't it make sense to acknowledge that advantage and try to set public policy that takes that advantage into account?

This is where we go in totally different directions. I want government to stay as far away from private business as possible. Government does nothing but screw stuff up, both the left and right, so no, we don't need government setting anti-discrimination policy.

So... Even if it is broke, don't fix it?

The government doesn't fix anything. Come on, man. You're smarter than that.

Gov't always makes things work

Posted by tangplay on 1/11/2018 1:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/11/2018 1:52:00 PM (view original):
I have never argued that white people don't have an advantage. I'm saying step out of the victim mentality and go win. As I said before, the left needs people to hold on a victim mentality for votes. I don't mean you, taint, or tang. I mean HRC, Warren, and Reed. The people at the top of the Democratic Party very rarely talk about successes. They talk about how this group is discriminated against and that group is. Hillary's whole platform had nothing to do with performance and everything to do with "vote for me because I'm a woman."

So this is suddenly about the DNC? I agree but what does that have to do with anything?

It has to do with a lot. The policies that b_l is advocating for has created an "I can't win" mentality within certain cultures. These policies were created by hippy liberals. The liberals at the top weren't doing it to better society. They were doing it to win votes. They have to have a lower class to stay in power.