Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 11:05:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 9:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/11/2018 8:31:00 PM (view original):
He'll never get it Tang.

OMG GET WHAT?!?!!? LOL

What is your solution? Mine is capitalism. If BAML doesn't want to lend to certain neighborhoods then let it be so. My bank will gladly lend there. Capitalism always works. My parents came from nothing, did not speak English and are still discriminated against as am I. I don't care and I just go on with my life. America you could argue is biased toward the wealthy but to me it is not racist.

Your solution sounds like more regulations. Which does not work!

cccp, I agree with some of what you are saying, but if you think there's not racism in America, I think you are deluding yourself.

I don't believe there is institutional racism.

Institutional racism is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race.

I believe there are racists of course but I do not believe it is institutional in the US. Again, I could be wrong but I don't see it in neither my private nor public life. In Boston to become a Police Officer a white person needs to get a 100% score and an African American person needs a 70%. You may say it is a slap in the face to the African American person I guess but I don't see it as racism?

I already proved that it exists, in multiple ways. REDLINING

Who is redlining?!!?!?!? No one in MA is.

*sigh* redlining has been out of practice since the 70's but still clearly effects us.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/12/2018 12:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 9:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/11/2018 8:31:00 PM (view original):
He'll never get it Tang.

OMG GET WHAT?!?!!? LOL

What is your solution? Mine is capitalism. If BAML doesn't want to lend to certain neighborhoods then let it be so. My bank will gladly lend there. Capitalism always works. My parents came from nothing, did not speak English and are still discriminated against as am I. I don't care and I just go on with my life. America you could argue is biased toward the wealthy but to me it is not racist.

Your solution sounds like more regulations. Which does not work!

cccp, I agree with some of what you are saying, but if you think there's not racism in America, I think you are deluding yourself.

I don't believe there is institutional racism.

Institutional racism is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race.

I believe there are racists of course but I do not believe it is institutional in the US. Again, I could be wrong but I don't see it in neither my private nor public life. In Boston to become a Police Officer a white person needs to get a 100% score and an African American person needs a 70%. You may say it is a slap in the face to the African American person I guess but I don't see it as racism?

I already proved that it exists, in multiple ways. REDLINING

Who is redlining?!!?!?!? No one in MA is.

*sigh* redlining has been out of practice since the 70's but still clearly effects us.

Posted by bad_luck on 1/12/2018 10:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 9:44:00 AM (view original):
I guess that's my biggest problem with the whole thing. The left acts like minorities are inferior and are incapable of providing for themselves. Your example with the Boston police qualifications proves this. In my opinion, it is a subtle form of racism.

So racism doesn’t exist except for racism against white people.

Right. You’re definitely someone people should take seriously.

You aren't very smart. I said the left is racist against minorities and doesn't even realize it. Everything that you and Tang post is saying that blacks cannot succeed without the government helping them. Take a reading comprehension class.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 11:09:00 AM (view original):
So you want to force people to hire those they don't want to hire? Seems crazy to me. It is like being invited to a bday party as a pity invite. I would not want that.

That is not what I am saying. MAKE THE NFL TEAMS RELEASE THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THEU INTERVIEWED.

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 10:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 10:24:00 AM (view original):
So you agree it's ridiculous and worthless?

I think that there being only one minority head coach from 1920-1979 is pretty telling. And then not another one until 1989.


7 minority head coaches from 1920-until 2003 and the inception of the Rooney rule. In the NFL....


Do you think that is ridiculous?

I think it's ridiculous you credit the rule for the increased minority hirings instead of the decrease in racism.
Mandatory anything involving race, is racism.
If mandatory interviewing of an African-American for Coaching vacancies is OK, then why shouldn't there be mandatory tryouts for whites when there are open roster spots? Surely you agree that the percentage of white players is greatly askew from the percentage of whites in the general population, so there must be some racial hiring practices when it comes to players, right?

Whites do have open tryouts. Every day, every year. What an absolutely dumbass All3 comment. par for the course.

Please share more of your infinite wisdom with us. How are the white players' "open, every day, every year" tryouts any different from the "open, every day, every year" tryouts minority Coaching candidates have while doing their jobs? Why do those minority Coaches "deserve" special interviews to explain what they've done / can do, while the white players do not deserve the same? Why do you think it's fair that the % of minority Coaches needs be in-line with the general population, but the % of white players need not be? Aren't you being racist?

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 11:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 10:02:00 AM (view original):
His example with the Boston police proves nothing because it's untrue. A simple google search will show you otherwise. It's amazing how people just take for granted what other people post as being fact...such as Iran is a shithole because someone told me that.

I really don't care enough to google this. I'm going to take the man at his word. Most of this thread proves my point anyways. There are a bunch of people on the left saying the government needs to step in because blacks are incapable of rising up without the government. It's a shame that the left doesn't have more faith in minorities capabilities.

That is not what I am saying at all.

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 10:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 10:24:00 AM (view original):
So you agree it's ridiculous and worthless?

I think that there being only one minority head coach from 1920-1979 is pretty telling. And then not another one until 1989.


7 minority head coaches from 1920-until 2003 and the inception of the Rooney rule. In the NFL....


Do you think that is ridiculous?

I think it's ridiculous you credit the rule for the increased minority hirings instead of the decrease in racism.
Mandatory anything involving race, is racism.
If mandatory interviewing of an African-American for Coaching vacancies is OK, then why shouldn't there be mandatory tryouts for whites when there are open roster spots? Surely you agree that the percentage of white players is greatly askew from the percentage of whites in the general population, so there must be some racial hiring practices when it comes to players, right?

Whites do have open tryouts. Every day, every year. What an absolutely dumbass All3 comment. par for the course.

Please share more of your infinite wisdom with us. How are the white players' "open, every day, every year" tryouts any different from the "open, every day, every year" tryouts minority Coaching candidates have while doing their jobs? Why do those minority Coaches "deserve" special interviews to explain what they've done / can do, while the white players do not deserve the same? Why do you think it's fair that the % of minority Coaches needs be in-line with the general population, but the % of white players need not be? Aren't you being racist?

THE HIRING FOR PLAYERS IS TRANSPARANT. THE HIRING FOR COACHES IS NOT.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/12/2018 10:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 9:44:00 AM (view original):
I guess that's my biggest problem with the whole thing. The left acts like minorities are inferior and are incapable of providing for themselves. Your example with the Boston police qualifications proves this. In my opinion, it is a subtle form of racism.

So racism doesn’t exist except for racism against white people.

Right. You’re definitely someone people should take seriously.

You aren't very smart. I said the left is racist against minorities and doesn't even realize it. Everything that you and Tang post is saying that blacks cannot succeed without the government helping them. Take a reading comprehension class.

Not whst I am saying.

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:20:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 10:52:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 10:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 10:24:00 AM (view original):
So you agree it's ridiculous and worthless?

I think that there being only one minority head coach from 1920-1979 is pretty telling. And then not another one until 1989.


7 minority head coaches from 1920-until 2003 and the inception of the Rooney rule. In the NFL....


Do you think that is ridiculous?

I think it's ridiculous you credit the rule for the increased minority hirings instead of the decrease in racism.
Mandatory anything involving race, is racism.
If mandatory interviewing of an African-American for Coaching vacancies is OK, then why shouldn't there be mandatory tryouts for whites when there are open roster spots? Surely you agree that the percentage of white players is greatly askew from the percentage of whites in the general population, so there must be some racial hiring practices when it comes to players, right?

Whites do have open tryouts. Every day, every year. What an absolutely dumbass All3 comment. par for the course.

Please share more of your infinite wisdom with us. How are the white players' "open, every day, every year" tryouts any different from the "open, every day, every year" tryouts minority Coaching candidates have while doing their jobs? Why do those minority Coaches "deserve" special interviews to explain what they've done / can do, while the white players do not deserve the same? Why do you think it's fair that the % of minority Coaches needs be in-line with the general population, but the % of white players need not be? Aren't you being racist?

no. I'm going to take Dan Rooneys word that something needed to be done. he knows more about the situation than either of us.

As it is I'm sure in 59 years there wasn't one qualified minority head coach. 59 years. yes, that's sarcasm.

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
lol. So even with mountains of evidence proving he's wrong you're going to take him at his word. Brilliant.

Once again, it's irrelevant whether he's right or not. My point has been proven time and again by you, bad luck, and tang. Y'all think minorities aren't smart enough to make it without help from the government. It's shameful.

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 11:05:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 9:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/12/2018 12:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/11/2018 9:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/11/2018 8:31:00 PM (view original):
He'll never get it Tang.

OMG GET WHAT?!?!!? LOL

What is your solution? Mine is capitalism. If BAML doesn't want to lend to certain neighborhoods then let it be so. My bank will gladly lend there. Capitalism always works. My parents came from nothing, did not speak English and are still discriminated against as am I. I don't care and I just go on with my life. America you could argue is biased toward the wealthy but to me it is not racist.

Your solution sounds like more regulations. Which does not work!

cccp, I agree with some of what you are saying, but if you think there's not racism in America, I think you are deluding yourself.

I don't believe there is institutional racism.

Institutional racism is a form of racism expressed in the practice of social and political institutions. Whether implicitly or explicitly expressed, institutional racism occurs when a certain group is targeted and discriminated against based upon race.

I believe there are racists of course but I do not believe it is institutional in the US. Again, I could be wrong but I don't see it in neither my private nor public life. In Boston to become a Police Officer a white person needs to get a 100% score and an African American person needs a 70%. You may say it is a slap in the face to the African American person I guess but I don't see it as racism?

I already proved that it exists, in multiple ways. REDLINING

Who is redlining?!!?!?!? No one in MA is.

*sigh* redlining has been out of practice since the 70's but still clearly effects us.

actually it hasn't. there's been at least 8 proven cases in the last 5 years.

Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
lol. So even with mountains of evidence proving he's wrong you're going to take him at his word. Brilliant.

Once again, it's irrelevant whether he's right or not. My point has been proven time and again by you, bad luck, and tang. Y'all think minorities aren't smart enough to make it without help from the government. It's shameful.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING. We are saying that institutional racism exists and that it is not a level playing field. Minorities CAN succeed, but again, the playing field is not level.

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
lol. So even with mountains of evidence proving he's wrong you're going to take him at his word. Brilliant.

Once again, it's irrelevant whether he's right or not. My point has been proven time and again by you, bad luck, and tang. Y'all think minorities aren't smart enough to make it without help from the government. It's shameful.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING. We are saying that institutional racism exists and that it is not a level playing field. Minorities CAN succeed, but again, the playing field is not level.

Do you agree with Taint that racism only exists against minorities, or are you smart enough to admit that it can, and does, exist against whites in some circumstances?

He keeps ignoring why minority's "need" to be a proportionate % of Coaches, yet white don't "need" to be a proportionate % of players.

I'd also love to hear what % of a person's make-up needs to be minority to classify him as a minority. Is there some rule somewhere about that too, or is it totally random, based on the situation?