Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Do you know what Kaep's salary demands are? Do you know what discussions teams have had about how big a distraction he would be (like Tebow)? You think, and like to pretend, you know a lot, but you know nothing. Just admit you're racist and are dumb enough to believe racism only works against minorities.

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
lol. So even with mountains of evidence proving he's wrong you're going to take him at his word. Brilliant.

Once again, it's irrelevant whether he's right or not. My point has been proven time and again by you, bad luck, and tang. Y'all think minorities aren't smart enough to make it without help from the government. It's shameful.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING. We are saying that institutional racism exists and that it is not a level playing field. Minorities CAN succeed, but again, the playing field is not level.

Do you agree with Taint that racism only exists against minorities, or are you smart enough to admit that it can, and does, exist against whites in some circumstances?

He keeps ignoring why minority's "need" to be a proportionate % of Coaches, yet white don't "need" to be a proportionate % of players.

I'd also love to hear what % of a person's make-up needs to be minority to classify him as a minority. Is there some rule somewhere about that too, or is it totally random, based on the situation?

I'm not ignoring anything, you just don't have anything to add that makes any sense. 59 years, no minority head coaches. Dan Rooney thought it was necessary. That's enough for me.

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
lol. So even with mountains of evidence proving he's wrong you're going to take him at his word. Brilliant.

Once again, it's irrelevant whether he's right or not. My point has been proven time and again by you, bad luck, and tang. Y'all think minorities aren't smart enough to make it without help from the government. It's shameful.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING. We are saying that institutional racism exists and that it is not a level playing field. Minorities CAN succeed, but again, the playing field is not level.

Do you agree with Taint that racism only exists against minorities, or are you smart enough to admit that it can, and does, exist against whites in some circumstances?

He keeps ignoring why minority's "need" to be a proportionate % of Coaches, yet white don't "need" to be a proportionate % of players.

I'd also love to hear what % of a person's make-up needs to be minority to classify him as a minority. Is there some rule somewhere about that too, or is it totally random, based on the situation?

I'm not ignoring anything, you just don't have anything to add that makes any sense. 59 years, no minority head coaches. Dan Rooney thought it was necessary. That's enough for me.

So, was back-and-white TV, phones on a pole and 8 MPG cars enough for you too? Things change. Try to come somewhere close to the 21st century.

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:32:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/12/2018 11:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by The Taint on 1/12/2018 11:19:00 AM (view original):
lol. So even with mountains of evidence proving he's wrong you're going to take him at his word. Brilliant.

Once again, it's irrelevant whether he's right or not. My point has been proven time and again by you, bad luck, and tang. Y'all think minorities aren't smart enough to make it without help from the government. It's shameful.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING. We are saying that institutional racism exists and that it is not a level playing field. Minorities CAN succeed, but again, the playing field is not level.

Do you agree with Taint that racism only exists against minorities, or are you smart enough to admit that it can, and does, exist against whites in some circumstances?

He keeps ignoring why minority's "need" to be a proportionate % of Coaches, yet white don't "need" to be a proportionate % of players.

I'd also love to hear what % of a person's make-up needs to be minority to classify him as a minority. Is there some rule somewhere about that too, or is it totally random, based on the situation?

Ofc racism exists against whites. No one is saying that there needs to be equal #s of minority and white coaches.

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Do you know what Kaep's salary demands are? Do you know what discussions teams have had about how big a distraction he would be (like Tebow)? You think, and like to pretend, you know a lot, but you know nothing. Just admit you're racist and are dumb enough to believe racism only works against minorities.

No, but I do know which players got chosen over Kaep.

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Bringing up Kaepernick is bad for your argument. He's got some talent, but he's also a headcase and a distraction. He's basically Johnny Manziel with a cause and a propaganda machine behind him.

"I'd also love to hear what % of a person's make-up needs to be minority to classify him as a minority. Is there some rule somewhere about that too, or is it totally random, based on the situation?"

Damn straight Alt-ie!

B.H. Obama was a damn Honky!!!

Posted by laramiebob on 1/12/2018 12:16:00 PM (view original):
"I'd also love to hear what % of a person's make-up needs to be minority to classify him as a minority. Is there some rule somewhere about that too, or is it totally random, based on the situation?"

Damn straight Alt-ie!

B.H. Obama was a damn Honky!!!

It would be hysterical to give all of the extremists one of those DNA tests. Half the bigots probably have African-Hispanic-Israeli blood, and some of the militants are probably British-Scandanavian (sorry, but that's the whitest example I can think of)

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Bringing up Kaepernick is bad for your argument. He's got some talent, but he's also a headcase and a distraction. He's basically Johnny Manziel with a cause and a propaganda machine behind him.

Comparing Johnny Manziel to Kaep was a bad argument.

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Bringing up Kaepernick is bad for your argument. He's got some talent, but he's also a headcase and a distraction. He's basically Johnny Manziel with a cause and a propaganda machine behind him.

Comparing Johnny Manziel to Kaep was a bad argument.

I wasn't making an argument. I'm telling you that implying that Kaepernick is being "passed up" because of (racial) discrimination is a bad argument, mainly because it overlooks the hundreds of other reasons why Kaep would be a bad addition to an NFL team, regardless of his potential for (slightly) better QB play.

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Bringing up Kaepernick is bad for your argument. He's got some talent, but he's also a headcase and a distraction. He's basically Johnny Manziel with a cause and a propaganda machine behind him.

Comparing Johnny Manziel to Kaep was a bad argument.

I wasn't making an argument. I'm telling you that implying that Kaepernick is being "passed up" because of (racial) discrimination is a bad argument, mainly because it overlooks the hundreds of other reasons why Kaep would be a bad addition to an NFL team, regardless of his potential for (slightly) better QB play.

I was not making the argument that Kaep has been discriminated against. I was only making the argument that the transparancy of NFL players have allowed people to make that argumebt.

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 12:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Bringing up Kaepernick is bad for your argument. He's got some talent, but he's also a headcase and a distraction. He's basically Johnny Manziel with a cause and a propaganda machine behind him.

Comparing Johnny Manziel to Kaep was a bad argument.

I wasn't making an argument. I'm telling you that implying that Kaepernick is being "passed up" because of (racial) discrimination is a bad argument, mainly because it overlooks the hundreds of other reasons why Kaep would be a bad addition to an NFL team, regardless of his potential for (slightly) better QB play.

I was not making the argument that Kaep has been discriminated against. I was only making the argument that the transparancy of NFL players have allowed people to make that argumebt.

The Raiders announced they interviewed a couple of minorities (Tee Martin was one, the other was an internal coach). The coaching process is JUST AS TRANSPARENT. We know who is qualified and who isn't. If Jon Gruden is hired, we can make the reasonable inference that ALL OTHER COACHES WERE "passed up", including all the white, black, asian (are there any?), swedish, whatever....

The Rooney rule, while well-intentioned, leads to tokenism and bogus efforts. Do you really think the Raiders were hiring anyone BUT Gruden? The burden of transparency is on the APPLICANTS. If a black (or asian, if there are any) coordinator or college football coach or any other reasonably qualified individual was interested in the Raider job, he/she should say "I'M INTERESTED IN THE RAIDER JOB". Then, if the Raiders don't interview him/her, they are in violation. If they're not qualified, the Raiders could say "This person isn't qualified. We must have someone who has X years as a coordinator" That's transparency.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/12/2018 10:10:00 AM (view original):
Some people believe it. I said INSTITUTIONAL RACISM does not exist. In my opinion. Wait. Do you believe opinions can be wrong? LOL

Yes, BL believes opinions can be wrong, unless, of course, they are his opinions.

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Do you know what Kaep's salary demands are? Do you know what discussions teams have had about how big a distraction he would be (like Tebow)? You think, and like to pretend, you know a lot, but you know nothing. Just admit you're racist and are dumb enough to believe racism only works against minorities.

First, Racism can be against anyone of any race. Second, while Kaep may be being blackballed (I'm not convinced he is), if he was talented enough, he'd have a job. Considering that he is not a great QB, most NFL teams will say why should I hire him and deal with all the crap that comes with him (and there would be a lot) when I can hire some other QB with the same amount of talent and not get any crap.

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 1:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 12:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/12/2018 12:12:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/12/2018 11:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/12/2018 11:30:00 AM (view original):
Great, now you're living in the 70's. That should be helpful.
How are player signings any more transparent than Coach hirings?

We can all see a player's talent. We cannot see a coaches. For instance, take the Kaep situation. We all see who he is being passed up on for. This prevents disceimination. With coaches, because the process is closed it is tough to measure.

Bringing up Kaepernick is bad for your argument. He's got some talent, but he's also a headcase and a distraction. He's basically Johnny Manziel with a cause and a propaganda machine behind him.

Comparing Johnny Manziel to Kaep was a bad argument.

I wasn't making an argument. I'm telling you that implying that Kaepernick is being "passed up" because of (racial) discrimination is a bad argument, mainly because it overlooks the hundreds of other reasons why Kaep would be a bad addition to an NFL team, regardless of his potential for (slightly) better QB play.

I was not making the argument that Kaep has been discriminated against. I was only making the argument that the transparancy of NFL players have allowed people to make that argumebt.

The Raiders announced they interviewed a couple of minorities (Tee Martin was one, the other was an internal coach). The coaching process is JUST AS TRANSPARENT. We know who is qualified and who isn't. If Jon Gruden is hired, we can make the reasonable inference that ALL OTHER COACHES WERE "passed up", including all the white, black, asian (are there any?), swedish, whatever....

The Rooney rule, while well-intentioned, leads to tokenism and bogus efforts. Do you really think the Raiders were hiring anyone BUT Gruden? The burden of transparency is on the APPLICANTS. If a black (or asian, if there are any) coordinator or college football coach or any other reasonably qualified individual was interested in the Raider job, he/she should say "I'M INTERESTED IN THE RAIDER JOB". Then, if the Raiders don't interview him/her, they are in violation. If they're not qualified, the Raiders could say "This person isn't qualified. We must have someone who has X years as a coordinator" That's transparency.

The Raiders were going to hire Gruden no matter who they interviewed. Personally, if I'm hiring someone, I don't want to be told who I have to interview or hire. I want to hire whoever I feel is the best qualified candidate, regardless of color, religion or anything else. I'd also hate to be Tee Martin and go for an interview with the Raiders when I know I have no shot of getting the job.