Posted by dino27 on 1/15/2018 8:02:00 PM (view original):
jesus was definitely imo a real person...i strongly believe that......i also believe the stories are myths........btw..i have zero doubt that the old testament are myths..fables...allegories....if that is true then it would follow that the jesus stories are myths....because they would be based on a mythological deity.

I believe Jesus stories were real because you have multiple real people who were there at the time write about more or less the same events happening at the same times. The writers also never collaborated together to write.

btw...please accept my sincere apologies to anyone offended by this conversation...i sincerely mean that...i totally respect believers...i enjoy an intellectual conversation about religion...i am an equal opportunity non believer...i don't believe in the biblical religion i was born into.....i do not want to offend anyone and i am sure that i am speaking for everyone.
i really mean the above.
i will also say that ive been to catholic church services and there is much comfort to be found.....once.i went with a girl i was going with and at the end i said to her lets shake rattle and roll.....she was very angry.

Horus did the same stuff 5k years before Jesus. I am not saying Jesus was not real but the stories about him are embellished and they were written 50 years post his death. Tangy, I'd give you more proof but you would just dismiss it. LOL

I do enjoy educating you.

i really have no faith in the credibility of so called witnesses......the first gospel was mark.......there was no virgin birth...he was born of parents and adopted by God and his own family made fun of him.....the next 3 gospels evolve..expand and embellish.

We are on the same page. I agree. I am Not dismissing people’s faith but I need fact. I am not advanced enough to just rely on faith.

exactly..i have no faith without documented facts.

Posted by dino27 on 1/15/2018 8:14:00 PM (view original):
tell me also how the mormon religion took off in the 1800s.

Haha...Not exactly an expert on that. A tremendous used car salesman (or I guess used wagon salesman) was very convincing.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/15/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Horus did the same stuff 5k years before Jesus. I am not saying Jesus was not real but the stories about him are embellished and they were written 50 years post his death. Tangy, I'd give you more proof but you would just dismiss it. LOL

I do enjoy educating you.

How would Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc have any knowledge of 'Horus', and how would they have written their chapters of the bible about the exact same thing 50 years later if it was not real. USE YOUR BRAIN.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/15/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Horus did the same stuff 5k years before Jesus. I am not saying Jesus was not real but the stories about him are embellished and they were written 50 years post his death. Tangy, I'd give you more proof but you would just dismiss it. LOL

I do enjoy educating you.

Y'all are very distracting. I have work to do. I will disprove this for you tomorrow.

Posted by dino27 on 1/15/2018 8:29:00 PM (view original):
i really have no faith in the credibility of so called witnesses......the first gospel was mark.......there was no virgin birth...he was born of parents and adopted by God and his own family made fun of him.....the next 3 gospels evolve..expand and embellish.

The gospels were written individually, no communication between them. It actually makes it more believable that all this is real because there are a few contradictions between them.

to me it shows that it does not take fact to start a multi million religion and it was done with no witnesses in a country where people were satisfied with traditional Christianity.
islam - the only alleged witness to mohammed rising to the sky was his brother.......
even the Buddhists dont believe the buddah rose to the sky.

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 8:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 1/15/2018 8:29:00 PM (view original):
i really have no faith in the credibility of so called witnesses......the first gospel was mark.......there was no virgin birth...he was born of parents and adopted by God and his own family made fun of him.....the next 3 gospels evolve..expand and embellish.

The gospels were written individually, no communication between them. It actually makes it more believable that all this is real because there are a few contradictions between them.

not true..first written around 65..next around 70-75.....next 80-85..next around 90-100....they always had the preceding gospels...
as i have also said before is the old testament believable...the talking donkey......killing the first born children......all the animals on a boat... horrible malice against gay people.......we could go on for hours about it.....to believe in the divinity of jesus you must believe in the old testament........

Posted by dino27 on 1/15/2018 9:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 8:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 1/15/2018 8:29:00 PM (view original):
i really have no faith in the credibility of so called witnesses......the first gospel was mark.......there was no virgin birth...he was born of parents and adopted by God and his own family made fun of him.....the next 3 gospels evolve..expand and embellish.

The gospels were written individually, no communication between them. It actually makes it more believable that all this is real because there are a few contradictions between them.

not true..first written around 65..next around 70-75.....next 80-85..next around 90-100....they always had the preceding gospels...
as i have also said before is the old testament believable...the talking donkey......killing the first born children......all the animals on a boat... horrible malice against gay people.......we could go on for hours about it.....to believe in the divinity of jesus you must believe in the old testament........

I don't think that's true. They all lived at the same time, and I don't think any of em got to 100.

I don't believe in taking most of the old testament literally.

different writers of the gospel...not disciples......
jesus and the people of his era were not yet so enlightened as to not take it literally.....they believed it verbatim.

tomorrow bunion testifies before intelligence committee.....it is possible he could say something interesting.
bunion loves to blab...i think he seeks adulation same as trump...he also likes to shock......i think somewhere down the line tomorrow he wont be able to resist some juicy tid bits....and some payback.
im sure he will start a new media venture later.....i dont think he is worried about trump at this point.
he has lawyered up with preibus' and spicer's atty.
this is purely speculation but i strongly believe priebus and spicer are being helpful to mueller.......tomorrow will be veddy veddy interesting.