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Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

That isn't actually true. I went to a UC school.

me too

Posted by The Taint on 1/16/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

That isn't actually true. I went to a UC school.

me too

Didn't you say you graduated in the 80's? I daresay the demographics have changed in the last 30 years, as have the admission practices.

Which UC did you go to?

Posted by all3 on 1/16/2018 8:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/16/2018 12:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 9:03:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 8:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Name one against blacks.

Relining. School Funding.

Name one example that specifically shows school funding is lower for African American people not zip codes but people. I am sure that African American kids living in my neighborhood get equal funding to the white kids.

BTW - my daughter. #1 in her class. Coincidence? Jews are better? Why is it? Please explain, tangy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/public-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/ Per student black and hispanic people recieve less funding. Partially because they live in worse neighborhoods. Redlining strikes again.

To your other idiotic point,
1. You named one person. Think big sample size. I could name Christians who were successful.
2. Your chart showed people by religion, not race. You are an atheist, not a Jew. By race you may be Jewish. But your chart, the only evidence shown rn, was by religion. You went against your own evidence.

Once again, Jewish is not a race. It is a religion and a culture, but it is not a race.

Try searching again, instead of posting opinion.
Never mind, we've been down this road before, and as the self-appointed Semantics Police you will still tell us that your opinion should be taken over that of multiple experts who deal with the subject for a living.

DNA Links Prove Jews Are a 'Race,' Says Genetics Expert

Conjuring fear of Nazism and anti-Semitism, Jews recoil from the thought that Judaism might be a race, but medical geneticist Harry Ostrer insists the 'biological basis of Jewishness' cannot be ignored.

Jon Entine

that's a good one. You criticizing me for posting an opinion like it is a fact. And posting comments from 2 "experts" who agree with you doesn't prove anything. If I card enough to search (which I don't) I expect I could find so called experts who claim Jewish is not a race.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/16/2018 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/16/2018 8:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/16/2018 12:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 9:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/15/2018 8:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 8:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Name one against blacks.

Relining. School Funding.

Name one example that specifically shows school funding is lower for African American people not zip codes but people. I am sure that African American kids living in my neighborhood get equal funding to the white kids.

BTW - my daughter. #1 in her class. Coincidence? Jews are better? Why is it? Please explain, tangy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/public-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/ Per student black and hispanic people recieve less funding. Partially because they live in worse neighborhoods. Redlining strikes again.

To your other idiotic point,
1. You named one person. Think big sample size. I could name Christians who were successful.
2. Your chart showed people by religion, not race. You are an atheist, not a Jew. By race you may be Jewish. But your chart, the only evidence shown rn, was by religion. You went against your own evidence.

Once again, Jewish is not a race. It is a religion and a culture, but it is not a race.

Try searching again, instead of posting opinion.
Never mind, we've been down this road before, and as the self-appointed Semantics Police you will still tell us that your opinion should be taken over that of multiple experts who deal with the subject for a living.

DNA Links Prove Jews Are a 'Race,' Says Genetics Expert

Conjuring fear of Nazism and anti-Semitism, Jews recoil from the thought that Judaism might be a race, but medical geneticist Harry Ostrer insists the 'biological basis of Jewishness' cannot be ignored.

Jon Entine

that's a good one. You criticizing me for posting an opinion like it is a fact. And posting comments from 2 "experts" who agree with you doesn't prove anything. If I card enough to search (which I don't) I expect I could find so called experts who claim Jewish is not a race.

Jews are descendents of Abraham. Jesus was a member of the Jewish race. So was David, etc.

Posted by tangplay on 1/16/2018 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Tang, you really need to learn what opportunity is. That student who dropped out to support his family made a choice. He had the opportunity to get a diploma and go to college. He made a choice not to. Please learn that everything that happens in life is a product of a choice. It will really make you a more effective person.

Fine. I concede. Most everyone has opportunity. You agree that equal opportunity does not exist?

No, I don't agree with that. Name one opportunity that whites have, that minorities don't. You and B_L have yet to name one.

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 12:29:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

That isn't actually true. I went to a UC school.

me too

Didn't you say you graduated in the 80's? I daresay the demographics have changed in the last 30 years, as have the admission practices.

Which UC did you go to?

Yup, 1992 at Berkeley

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/16/2018 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Tang, you really need to learn what opportunity is. That student who dropped out to support his family made a choice. He had the opportunity to get a diploma and go to college. He made a choice not to. Please learn that everything that happens in life is a product of a choice. It will really make you a more effective person.

Fine. I concede. Most everyone has opportunity. You agree that equal opportunity does not exist?

No, I don't agree with that. Name one opportunity that whites have, that minorities don't. You and B_L have yet to name one.

Again, difference between opportunity and equal opportunity.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/16/2018 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Tang, you really need to learn what opportunity is. That student who dropped out to support his family made a choice. He had the opportunity to get a diploma and go to college. He made a choice not to. Please learn that everything that happens in life is a product of a choice. It will really make you a more effective person.

Fine. I concede. Most everyone has opportunity. You agree that equal opportunity does not exist?

No, I don't agree with that. Name one opportunity that whites have, that minorities don't. You and B_L have yet to name one.

LOL, pull your head out of the sand. Just because it "seems" like people have equal opportunities, doesn't in fact mean they do.


When the across the street neighbors from my grandparents were selling their house back in the late 70's, they showed it to a black family. Right after they showed it to the family, Mr. Parker rolled around to the neighbors telling them not to worry, there's no way he would sell it to the negros. In a perfect world, yes everyone as the same opportunities, but this is the real world, not the perfect world.

Posted by tangplay on 1/16/2018 12:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/16/2018 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Tang, you really need to learn what opportunity is. That student who dropped out to support his family made a choice. He had the opportunity to get a diploma and go to college. He made a choice not to. Please learn that everything that happens in life is a product of a choice. It will really make you a more effective person.

Fine. I concede. Most everyone has opportunity. You agree that equal opportunity does not exist?

No, I don't agree with that. Name one opportunity that whites have, that minorities don't. You and B_L have yet to name one.

Again, difference between opportunity and equal opportunity.

Exactly

Do you think the Voting Right Act was an unneeded overreach by the government?

Posted by wylie715 on 1/16/2018 12:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 1/16/2018 8:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 1/16/2018 12:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 9:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/15/2018 8:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/15/2018 8:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/15/2018 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Name one against blacks.

Relining. School Funding.

Name one example that specifically shows school funding is lower for African American people not zip codes but people. I am sure that African American kids living in my neighborhood get equal funding to the white kids.

BTW - my daughter. #1 in her class. Coincidence? Jews are better? Why is it? Please explain, tangy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/public-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/ Per student black and hispanic people recieve less funding. Partially because they live in worse neighborhoods. Redlining strikes again.

To your other idiotic point,
1. You named one person. Think big sample size. I could name Christians who were successful.
2. Your chart showed people by religion, not race. You are an atheist, not a Jew. By race you may be Jewish. But your chart, the only evidence shown rn, was by religion. You went against your own evidence.

Once again, Jewish is not a race. It is a religion and a culture, but it is not a race.

Try searching again, instead of posting opinion.
Never mind, we've been down this road before, and as the self-appointed Semantics Police you will still tell us that your opinion should be taken over that of multiple experts who deal with the subject for a living.

DNA Links Prove Jews Are a 'Race,' Says Genetics Expert

Conjuring fear of Nazism and anti-Semitism, Jews recoil from the thought that Judaism might be a race, but medical geneticist Harry Ostrer insists the 'biological basis of Jewishness' cannot be ignored.

Jon Entine

that's a good one. You criticizing me for posting an opinion like it is a fact. And posting comments from 2 "experts" who agree with you doesn't prove anything. If I card enough to search (which I don't) I expect I could find so called experts who claim Jewish is not a race.

Not surprisingly, you're missing the entire point. You so freakin' worried about semantics and labeling things "properly" that you're not contributing anything to either side of the discussion.

I would think that someone who pretends to be so worried about "proper" English and terminology would learn how to capitalize and spell.

Posted by The Taint on 1/16/2018 12:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 12:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/16/2018 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/16/2018 11:36:00 AM (view original):
Tang, you really need to learn what opportunity is. That student who dropped out to support his family made a choice. He had the opportunity to get a diploma and go to college. He made a choice not to. Please learn that everything that happens in life is a product of a choice. It will really make you a more effective person.

Fine. I concede. Most everyone has opportunity. You agree that equal opportunity does not exist?

No, I don't agree with that. Name one opportunity that whites have, that minorities don't. You and B_L have yet to name one.

LOL, pull your head out of the sand. Just because it "seems" like people have equal opportunities, doesn't in fact mean they do.


When the across the street neighbors from my grandparents were selling their house back in the late 70's, they showed it to a black family. Right after they showed it to the family, Mr. Parker rolled around to the neighbors telling them not to worry, there's no way he would sell it to the negros. In a perfect world, yes everyone as the same opportunities, but this is the real world, not the perfect world.

We don't live in the 70's. That was almost 50 years ago. That's the problem we're running into. The left keeps using arguments from the 60's and 70's. Times have changed. Are minorities still effected by those decades? Only if they allow themselves to be effected. The opportunities are more than there to live a productive, fruitful life.

Taint, B_L, and Tang have yet to name opportunity that whites have that minorities don't.

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

That isn't actually true. I went to a UC school.

Are you a minority? Are you Asian? Are you black? All those are questions that are asked as part of the application. That's racism.

That should have NOTHING to do with your qualifications as an entering freshman.

I am a Jew and that makes me better than all of you. If you want to play the race/color/culture card let's do it. Jews are by far the wealthiest and most educated people in the US. This despite anti semitism all over the place in the US. Compare us to all other WHITES. Why are we so much more successful?

Because your people chose to persevere despite the adversity.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/16/2018 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 12:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 11:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by toddcommish on 1/16/2018 11:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 1/16/2018 10:57:00 AM (view original):
If there’s a disadvantage, the opportunity isn’t equal. You and I decide to run a race and you have shoes but I don’t, my opportunity to win the race isn’t the same as yours.

Then racial quotas are a disadvantage for Asians getting into the UC system. Pretty sure other minorities have LOWER standards to get into the state-funded UC system. If you're Asian and want to go to UCBerkeley or UCDavis or UCLA, you have to have a 4.5 GPA and eleventy-billion on the SAT. Certain other minorities, you pretty much just need a pulse.

That's institutional racism too.

That isn't actually true. I went to a UC school.

Are you a minority? Are you Asian? Are you black? All those are questions that are asked as part of the application. That's racism.

That should have NOTHING to do with your qualifications as an entering freshman.

I am a Jew and that makes me better than all of you. If you want to play the race/color/culture card let's do it. Jews are by far the wealthiest and most educated people in the US. This despite anti semitism all over the place in the US. Compare us to all other WHITES. Why are we so much more successful?

Dude. You proved that RELIGIOUS Jews are financially better off. Younare an atheist. I am Jewish too BTW. Guess I am not an 'idiot'.

Also, RACISM IS NOT INSTITUTIONAL RACISM.