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Posted by strikeout26 on 1/17/2018 10:25:00 PM (view original):
If the fed govt gets most things wrong, why do you expect if they're given control of this they will get it right?

The FEAEC plan involves federal oversight which will ensure that the plan allows for success.

Once again, your faith in the federal government astounds me.

Your faith in local governments astounds me

Tangy, with all due respect you are one of the dumbest people I have seen online. EVER. Honestly. Delusional, dumb and uninformed. You seem like a decent human being but way out of touch with reality.

Why am I wrong? Explain your points instead of just being angry.

Angry? I am far from angry. You are who you are:

1. You believe that all true Christians are pacifists.
2. You don't understand capitalism at all.
3. You believe that there is institutional racism when I have proven that it is wealthism
4. You believe that people who cannot afford kids should still have them
5. You believe it is the Government's job to solve the issue of poverty but your solution is more school funding vs. holding the parents more accountable.
6. You don't believe there is anti semitism or not to a degree that really exists out there.
7. You won't acknowledge that Jews faced many hardships but excelled and outpaced MOST non Jews in the US and globally. When you sort of lean that way you attribute it to luck.

On the positive note:

1. You are willing to listen (although not hear) the opposing arguments
2. Your heart is in the right place
3. You agree that Bad_Luck is delusional for calling Ben Shapiro a white supremacist.

How is that?

1 is correct.
I don't know where you are getting 2 from.
3 is correct. Wealthism also exists, and is more dominant, but redlining proves that institutional racism exists. The two tie together.
4 is misunderstood. It is more of an idealistic view that every person should financially be supported enough to support at least 2 kids.
5 is misunderstood. School funding equality will not solve poverty. Circles of Hope solves poverty.
6 is incorrect. I have said numerous times that antisemitism exists, however I do not think that institutional antisemitism exists.
7 is also misunderstood. I agree: Jews faced many hardships. However no evidence has been produced yet that showed that institutional antisemitism exists in the US.

I did give you evidence but you dismissed the source. All evidence against DJT are from biased sources but you don't dismiss them. Your post proves my pts. 100%. Which is fine. You gotta do you.

Evidence on what. I would appreciate it if you could reshare them!

When did I prove your points. Please explain.

http://www.dw.com/en/growing-anti-semitism-in-the-us/a-37755245
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/24/525398277/anti-semitic-incidents-up-86-percent-compared-to-same-time-last-year
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/adl-report-anti-semitic-incidents-spike-in-2017-especially-after-charlottesville/
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Institutional-anti-Semitism-exists-in-the-US-expert-says-391584
https://www.ushmm.org/confront-antisemitism/antisemitism-the-longest-hatred

How much more do you need. Fact is we don't whine about. We excel.

I am going to ignore 1-3 and 5 because they are antisemitism and not institutional.

You clearly did not read #4. Its claims are that even ignoring antisemitism is institutional. Additionally, it says that antisemitism promotes an institutional culture. And this is likely true, however, they use a different form of institutional racism than I do. When we are talking about it, we mean laws that specifically hold them back, like redlining. This is still just arguing that antisemitism exists (Which I agree with) and that this is bad.

Show proof of current redlining laws LOL

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/28/evidence-that-banks-still-deny-black-borrowers-just-as-they-did-50-years-ago/?utm_term=.6534a2f450ae
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/remember-redlining-its-alive-and-evolving/433065/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/upshot/how-redlinings-racist-effects-lasted-for-decades.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/

Posted by toddcommish on 1/18/2018 11:05:00 AM (view original):
One thing that I think most of us will agree upon is there isn't enough LIFE training in high school. Way back when I went, there was a Business 101 class that taught checkbook balancing, budgeting, comparison shopping, even some stuff on buying houses/insurance using amortization tables.

My kids graduated high school in 2011 and 2013, and didn't learn any of that USEFUL stuff in high school. But they both had to read crap like Heart of Darkness and The Scarlet Letter (and the accompanying Cliff's/Sparks Notes).

I just got off the phone with my daughter who wants to buy her own car, but knows little about down payments, interest rates, insurance, or budgeting. Granted, I accepted that role over 20 years ago as the financial teacher, but it sure would be nice if they would teach this kids USEFUL LIFE SKILLS, instead of Conrad's use of allegory on Marlowe's trip down the river.

(p.s. My daughter got a Liberal Studies degree on her way to a teaching credential, and she frequently complained about the political posturing of her professors. Apparently, they took "Liberal" studies literally, and were strongly pushing the liberal agenda... so I told her to write what they wanted to hear, and develop her own views.)

I 1000000000000% agree with the first 3 paragraphs. Also, I think school teaching should be unbiased.

"4 is misunderstood. It is more of an idealistic view that every person should financially be supported enough to support at least 2 kids."

what? Be financially supported by who? The government? If you want to have kids you should find a way to financially support yourself enough to be able to do so. You shouldn't count on handouts from anyone, including the government.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/18/2018 12:40:00 PM (view original):
"4 is misunderstood. It is more of an idealistic view that every person should financially be supported enough to support at least 2 kids."

what? Be financially supported by who? The government? If you want to have kids you should find a way to financially support yourself enough to be able to do so. You shouldn't count on handouts from anyone, including the government.

I don't have the answers to your questions.

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Tang, feed my curiosity. Outside of funding, what reform do you feel is needed in public education?

Well, part of the FEAEC report is Mental Heath reforms in schools and oversight in school reforms. I would like to see STEM burn in a fire, and overhaul the required classes in schools. I also think we need less testing and teaching to the test

I will have to look up the first part, but why the hatred for STEM? I agree about the classes and the testing. I think testing is important to gauge progress, but the current format is ridiculous. As far as classes, I would see them become more relevant and practical. They should offer financial responsibility and training classes. I'm pretty sure a lot of schools have cut home economic courses.

All in all, I think more power needs to be given back to local districts. The academic leaders in the communities know much better what their children need than buearocrats in Washington.

In short, STEM kills the arts and creativity, which are far more important than STEM classes.

I was thinking the exact same thing with classes.

I am cautious about local districts. Their priority is parents and money.

Ahhhh, this is the disconnect. Tang thinks that arts and humanities are more important than technically complex, vocationally relevant courses.

That's why his world is filled with poverty and humanities degrees. While the rest of the civilized world moves ahead with their emphasis on Math and Science and Computer skills, Tang will be living in a box next to Cresty with his Etruscan Literature degree.

THIS!

Are you a biologist? If not, you did not benefit from science either.

Only biologists benefit from science? LOL

What about chemists?

I was quoting BL. Yes you are right. Chemists and scientists obviously. My point is that it is career centric and should not be required in HS.

Math and science teach you how to think and are musts. Critical thinking is highly underrated. History, English, Language...people can memorize but science and math you cannot. You need to understand how to problem solve. Those classes are critical. Bad_Luck hates himself and most others I would try to ignore 99.9% of his posts. I actually feel sorry for people like him.

Wait, what?

Humanities and STEM classes are both important. But it's the humanities classes that teach critical thinking. Science is, at least at the high school and non-major undergrad level, all about memorization.

Humanities classes DON'T teach critical thinking. They teach plagiarism and parroting back of professor's ideas/beliefs. If a teacher's favorite writer is Hemingway, you better not write a blistering critique of Hemingway for your term paper. (Which, oddly, is a fairly important job skill - that of bootlicking) Unfortunately, bootlicking is the OPPOSITE of critical thinking. Though if you wanted to make an argument that recognizing that your teacher/manager has a bias/blindspot and the fact that you know how to pander to it shows some critical thought, I might buy in at that level.

Posted by wylie715 on 1/18/2018 12:40:00 PM (view original):
"4 is misunderstood. It is more of an idealistic view that every person should financially be supported enough to support at least 2 kids."

what? Be financially supported by who? The government? If you want to have kids you should find a way to financially support yourself enough to be able to do so. You shouldn't count on handouts from anyone, including the government.

LOL - intellectual discussions are impossible with tangy. He deals with emotions not facts.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 1/17/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):
Tang, feed my curiosity. Outside of funding, what reform do you feel is needed in public education?

Well, part of the FEAEC report is Mental Heath reforms in schools and oversight in school reforms. I would like to see STEM burn in a fire, and overhaul the required classes in schools. I also think we need less testing and teaching to the test

I will have to look up the first part, but why the hatred for STEM? I agree about the classes and the testing. I think testing is important to gauge progress, but the current format is ridiculous. As far as classes, I would see them become more relevant and practical. They should offer financial responsibility and training classes. I'm pretty sure a lot of schools have cut home economic courses.

All in all, I think more power needs to be given back to local districts. The academic leaders in the communities know much better what their children need than buearocrats in Washington.

In short, STEM kills the arts and creativity, which are far more important than STEM classes.

I was thinking the exact same thing with classes.

I am cautious about local districts. Their priority is parents and money.

Ahhhh, this is the disconnect. Tang thinks that arts and humanities are more important than technically complex, vocationally relevant courses.

That's why his world is filled with poverty and humanities degrees. While the rest of the civilized world moves ahead with their emphasis on Math and Science and Computer skills, Tang will be living in a box next to Cresty with his Etruscan Literature degree.

THIS!

Are you a biologist? If not, you did not benefit from science either.

Only biologists benefit from science? LOL

What about chemists?

I was quoting BL. Yes you are right. Chemists and scientists obviously. My point is that it is career centric and should not be required in HS.

Math and science teach you how to think and are musts. Critical thinking is highly underrated. History, English, Language...people can memorize but science and math you cannot. You need to understand how to problem solve. Those classes are critical. Bad_Luck hates himself and most others I would try to ignore 99.9% of his posts. I actually feel sorry for people like him.

Wait, what?

Humanities and STEM classes are both important. But it's the humanities classes that teach critical thinking. Science is, at least at the high school and non-major undergrad level, all about memorization.

How is physics memorization? Have you taken Advanced Physics and the various word problems? Have you done balancing equations in Chemistry? How is that memorization?

The year WWII started is memorization.

Posted by toddcommish on 1/18/2018 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Humanities classes DON'T teach critical thinking. They teach plagiarism and parroting back of professor's ideas/beliefs. If a teacher's favorite writer is Hemingway, you better not write a blistering critique of Hemingway for your term paper. (Which, oddly, is a fairly important job skill - that of bootlicking) Unfortunately, bootlicking is the OPPOSITE of critical thinking. Though if you wanted to make an argument that recognizing that your teacher/manager has a bias/blindspot and the fact that you know how to pander to it shows some critical thought, I might buy in at that level.

Company A wants to buy Company B at X price. Is it a fair price?

How does learning history, language arts or Spanish help in answering this question? You best know mathematics.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 1/17/2018 6:16:00 PM (view original):
Tang, feed my curiosity. Outside of funding, what reform do you feel is needed in public education?

Well, part of the FEAEC report is Mental Heath reforms in schools and oversight in school reforms. I would like to see STEM burn in a fire, and overhaul the required classes in schools. I also think we need less testing and teaching to the test

I will have to look up the first part, but why the hatred for STEM? I agree about the classes and the testing. I think testing is important to gauge progress, but the current format is ridiculous. As far as classes, I would see them become more relevant and practical. They should offer financial responsibility and training classes. I'm pretty sure a lot of schools have cut home economic courses.

All in all, I think more power needs to be given back to local districts. The academic leaders in the communities know much better what their children need than buearocrats in Washington.

In short, STEM kills the arts and creativity, which are far more important than STEM classes.

I was thinking the exact same thing with classes.

I am cautious about local districts. Their priority is parents and money.

Ahhhh, this is the disconnect. Tang thinks that arts and humanities are more important than technically complex, vocationally relevant courses.

That's why his world is filled with poverty and humanities degrees. While the rest of the civilized world moves ahead with their emphasis on Math and Science and Computer skills, Tang will be living in a box next to Cresty with his Etruscan Literature degree.

THIS!

Are you a biologist? If not, you did not benefit from science either.

Only biologists benefit from science? LOL

What about chemists?

I was quoting BL. Yes you are right. Chemists and scientists obviously. My point is that it is career centric and should not be required in HS.

Math and science teach you how to think and are musts. Critical thinking is highly underrated. History, English, Language...people can memorize but science and math you cannot. You need to understand how to problem solve. Those classes are critical. Bad_Luck hates himself and most others I would try to ignore 99.9% of his posts. I actually feel sorry for people like him.

Wait, what?

Humanities and STEM classes are both important. But it's the humanities classes that teach critical thinking. Science is, at least at the high school and non-major undergrad level, all about memorization.

How is physics memorization? Have you taken Advanced Physics and the various word problems? Have you done balancing equations in Chemistry? How is that memorization?

The year WWII started is memorization.

Don't be obtuse Boris.

The year that WWII started is NOT what any decent history teacher believes is important about that topic.
Your comment just reveals:
A. The absolutely minuscule knowledge you received from your Massachusetts education (kinda doubt that)
or
B. Your complete ignorance of why the study of History is so hugely important to mankind.

B would explain why you're still supporting the Chimp in the WH!

History is memorization and learning from the past. You are welcome to your opinion that I am an ignorant guy. LOL. I've been called worse. I never said it was not important I just said it teaches you different skills than Physics or Mathematics. Please find one post where I said it was not important?

Posted by toddcommish on 1/18/2018 2:05:00 PM (view original):
Humanities classes DON'T teach critical thinking. They teach plagiarism and parroting back of professor's ideas/beliefs. If a teacher's favorite writer is Hemingway, you better not write a blistering critique of Hemingway for your term paper. (Which, oddly, is a fairly important job skill - that of bootlicking) Unfortunately, bootlicking is the OPPOSITE of critical thinking. Though if you wanted to make an argument that recognizing that your teacher/manager has a bias/blindspot and the fact that you know how to pander to it shows some critical thought, I might buy in at that level.

I think your ideas on how college works are a little misinformed

College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Posted by cccp1014 on 1/18/2018 2:48:00 PM (view original):
College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Well, no, that’s not correct. Some post-secondary education is designed to get you a job. Most universities are designed to educate you. That’s a little different.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 1/18/2018 2:48:00 PM (view original):
College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Well, no, that’s not correct. Some post-secondary education is designed to get you a job. Most universities are designed to educate you. That’s a little different.

Our opinions differ and that is OK.

My kids know that if they want to be history majors they can pay for college on their own. If they want to major in business, finance, pre med, engineering, etc. then I am happy to pay for it. You parent how you wish.

Free country.