Um ok. I’m just pointing out that the point of a university is to educate people. Not provide job training. And fwiw, history majors can get good jobs. My sister was a history major and she makes more money than most people.

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Tang, feed my curiosity. Outside of funding, what reform do you feel is needed in public education?

Well, part of the FEAEC report is Mental Heath reforms in schools and oversight in school reforms. I would like to see STEM burn in a fire, and overhaul the required classes in schools. I also think we need less testing and teaching to the test

I will have to look up the first part, but why the hatred for STEM? I agree about the classes and the testing. I think testing is important to gauge progress, but the current format is ridiculous. As far as classes, I would see them become more relevant and practical. They should offer financial responsibility and training classes. I'm pretty sure a lot of schools have cut home economic courses.

All in all, I think more power needs to be given back to local districts. The academic leaders in the communities know much better what their children need than buearocrats in Washington.

In short, STEM kills the arts and creativity, which are far more important than STEM classes.

I was thinking the exact same thing with classes.

I am cautious about local districts. Their priority is parents and money.

Ahhhh, this is the disconnect. Tang thinks that arts and humanities are more important than technically complex, vocationally relevant courses.

That's why his world is filled with poverty and humanities degrees. While the rest of the civilized world moves ahead with their emphasis on Math and Science and Computer skills, Tang will be living in a box next to Cresty with his Etruscan Literature degree.

THIS!

Are you a biologist? If not, you did not benefit from science either.

Only biologists benefit from science? LOL

What about chemists?

I was quoting BL. Yes you are right. Chemists and scientists obviously. My point is that it is career centric and should not be required in HS.

Math and science teach you how to think and are musts. Critical thinking is highly underrated. History, English, Language...people can memorize but science and math you cannot. You need to understand how to problem solve. Those classes are critical. Bad_Luck hates himself and most others I would try to ignore 99.9% of his posts. I actually feel sorry for people like him.

Wait, what?

Humanities and STEM classes are both important. But it's the humanities classes that teach critical thinking. Science is, at least at the high school and non-major undergrad level, all about memorization.

How is physics memorization? Have you taken Advanced Physics and the various word problems? Have you done balancing equations in Chemistry? How is that memorization?

The year WWII started is memorization.

In high school science I memorized rocks and Kepler's laws of motion.

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Humanities classes DON'T teach critical thinking. They teach plagiarism and parroting back of professor's ideas/beliefs. If a teacher's favorite writer is Hemingway, you better not write a blistering critique of Hemingway for your term paper. (Which, oddly, is a fairly important job skill - that of bootlicking) Unfortunately, bootlicking is the OPPOSITE of critical thinking. Though if you wanted to make an argument that recognizing that your teacher/manager has a bias/blindspot and the fact that you know how to pander to it shows some critical thought, I might buy in at that level.

Company A wants to buy Company B at X price. Is it a fair price?

How does learning history, language arts or Spanish help in answering this question? You best know mathematics.

You learn all this before high school.

Then you didn't take Advanced Chemistry or Advanced Physics.

So you have no idea what balancing equations is?

Do you think chemists created all these medications we have from memorization or thinking and experimenting? LOL

Uhhhhhh, Boris. Just what do you think a Historian is?? Usually Not unemployed I'll tell you that.

Just how much money do you think Doris Kearns Goodwin (for one example) has earned in her lifetime?, partly because of her degree.

You are just demonstrating how little you know about History. It is completely NOT about memorization.................
It is about understanding!
Try some!

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Humanities classes DON'T teach critical thinking. They teach plagiarism and parroting back of professor's ideas/beliefs. If a teacher's favorite writer is Hemingway, you better not write a blistering critique of Hemingway for your term paper. (Which, oddly, is a fairly important job skill - that of bootlicking) Unfortunately, bootlicking is the OPPOSITE of critical thinking. Though if you wanted to make an argument that recognizing that your teacher/manager has a bias/blindspot and the fact that you know how to pander to it shows some critical thought, I might buy in at that level.

Company A wants to buy Company B at X price. Is it a fair price?

How does learning history, language arts or Spanish help in answering this question? You best know mathematics.

You learn all this before high school.

WHAT?!?!? LOL

Then answer that question. How would you even begin to attack that problem. Ha ha ha.

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College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Well, no, that’s not correct. Some post-secondary education is designed to get you a job. Most universities are designed to educate you. That’s a little different.

Right Comrade, because as a journalist I do not need to learn journalism and English in college. Thabks for advising me!

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College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Well, no, that’s not correct. Some post-secondary education is designed to get you a job. Most universities are designed to educate you. That’s a little different.

Right Comrade, because as a journalist I do not need to learn journalism and English in college. Thabks for advising me!

Or spelling it seems. Did I say you? I said my kids and I said history. Journalism I WOULD pay for.

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College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Well, no, that’s not correct. Some post-secondary education is designed to get you a job. Most universities are designed to educate you. That’s a little different.

Our opinions differ and that is OK.

My kids know that if they want to be history majors they can pay for college on their own. If they want to major in business, finance, pre med, engineering, etc. then I am happy to pay for it. You parent how you wish.

Free country.

Well... Then you are the problem with education in the US sir. That is pretty sad.

Now we know why Jews are better at business.

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Um ok. I’m just pointing out that the point of a university is to educate people. Not provide job training. And fwiw, history majors can get good jobs. My sister was a history major and she makes more money than most people.

I minored in history.

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Um ok. I’m just pointing out that the point of a university is to educate people. Not provide job training. And fwiw, history majors can get good jobs. My sister was a history major and she makes more money than most people.

Thats fine and our opinions differ. I believe universities need to teach a marketable skill. I never said you were wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong.

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College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Well, no, that’s not correct. Some post-secondary education is designed to get you a job. Most universities are designed to educate you. That’s a little different.

Our opinions differ and that is OK.

My kids know that if they want to be history majors they can pay for college on their own. If they want to major in business, finance, pre med, engineering, etc. then I am happy to pay for it. You parent how you wish.

Free country.

Well... Then you are the problem with education in the US sir. That is pretty sad.

Now we know why Jews are better at business.

What problem? Leftists are always preaching. LOL.

You do what you wish with your kids. I would never dictate to others what they should do.

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Then you didn't take Advanced Chemistry or Advanced Physics.

So you have no idea what balancing equations is?

Do you think chemists created all these medications we have from memorization or thinking and experimenting? LOL

People who choose to take advanced chem still can. My only point is that it should not be required.

And we learn algebra in middle school, idiot

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College is there to teach a graduate marketable skills, period. If someone comes out with $200k worth of loans and does not have a marketable skill that will allow them to repay the loans in a timely fashion, there is a problem.

Just my opinion.

Well, no, that’s not correct. Some post-secondary education is designed to get you a job. Most universities are designed to educate you. That’s a little different.

And then the Easter Bunny comes by and brings you a degree!

My god, do you really believe this crap. This has to be a troll job.

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Uhhhhhh, Boris. Just what do you think a Historian is?? Usually Not unemployed I'll tell you that.

Just how much money do you think Doris Kearns Goodwin (for one example) has earned in her lifetime?, partly because of her degree.

You are just demonstrating how little you know about History. It is completely NOT about memorization.................
It is about understanding!
Try some!

Sometimes sure. But mostly it is about memorization. How about you try some instead of always throwing stones and then crying when I fire back. I'll raise my kids how I want to and you do the same. No worries.