Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
No. A chance is all most/some/a few of us want. If it's only a 1 in 3 chance, so be it. You saw what happened with UNC-A/AZ. Take that away and just that A/B prestige planting flags on regional players with low prestige having no shot. Which is 1.0 all over again.

Or you could have put in more effort to get to VH. You didn't even max out.

I'm fine with the VH vs H distinction. It gives you a better idea of where you stand.

The change should be that in a 2 team battle, there shouldn't be a 75 vs 25% chance. It would be better if it were capped at 40%.

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
No. A chance is all most/some/a few of us want. If it's only a 1 in 3 chance, so be it. You saw what happened with UNC-A/AZ. Take that away and just that A/B prestige planting flags on regional players with low prestige having no shot. Which is 1.0 all over again.

Or you could have put in more effort to get to VH. You didn't even max out.

You're basically saying -

"I'd like to use only a small portion of my budget to get into a dice roll. I don't want to use half of my budget to get into a dice roll when a heavy prestige underdog"

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
No. A chance is all most/some/a few of us want. If it's only a 1 in 3 chance, so be it. You saw what happened with UNC-A/AZ. Take that away and just that A/B prestige planting flags on regional players with low prestige having no shot. Which is 1.0 all over again.

Or you could have put in more effort to get to VH. You didn't even max out.

I was at VH to moderate on the 1st signing cycle. I didn't have to max out if the player signed then. I'm sure you've heard of plan B or, if you prefer, back-up plans. I know there's much caterwauling about players signing too fast in RS2. It comes from those who max out on one-two players, lose and simply don't have time to open actions on other players. It's because they didn't bother with other players beyond their top options. Not me.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 10:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
No. A chance is all most/some/a few of us want. If it's only a 1 in 3 chance, so be it. You saw what happened with UNC-A/AZ. Take that away and just that A/B prestige planting flags on regional players with low prestige having no shot. Which is 1.0 all over again.

Or you could have put in more effort to get to VH. You didn't even max out.

I was at VH to moderate on the 1st signing cycle. I didn't have to max out if the player signed then. I'm sure you've heard of plan B or, if you prefer, back-up plans. I know there's much caterwauling about players signing too fast in RS2. It comes from those who max out on one-two players, lose and simply don't have time to open actions on other players. It's because they didn't bother with other players beyond their top options. Not me.

You're mixing a couple different topics here.

You said you want the long shot signings because it allowed you to compete against an A prestige. Not exactly true in your case because you COULD have spent more and gotten to VH (and maybe knocked him down to moderate).

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 10:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
No. A chance is all most/some/a few of us want. If it's only a 1 in 3 chance, so be it. You saw what happened with UNC-A/AZ. Take that away and just that A/B prestige planting flags on regional players with low prestige having no shot. Which is 1.0 all over again.

Or you could have put in more effort to get to VH. You didn't even max out.

I was at VH to moderate on the 1st signing cycle. I didn't have to max out if the player signed then. I'm sure you've heard of plan B or, if you prefer, back-up plans. I know there's much caterwauling about players signing too fast in RS2. It comes from those who max out on one-two players, lose and simply don't have time to open actions on other players. It's because they didn't bother with other players beyond their top options. Not me.

You're mixing a couple different topics here.

You said you want the long shot signings because it allowed you to compete against an A prestige. Not exactly true in your case because you COULD have spent more and gotten to VH (and maybe knocked him down to moderate).

You're not paying attention. I did get to VH and knock him to moderate. When the player didn't sign, I'd shown my hand. The ONLY chance I had at that point was to spend the amount of resources I felt comfortable with while maintaining other options. Aim high but don't get caught with your unit in your hand if you miss.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 10:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 10:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
No. A chance is all most/some/a few of us want. If it's only a 1 in 3 chance, so be it. You saw what happened with UNC-A/AZ. Take that away and just that A/B prestige planting flags on regional players with low prestige having no shot. Which is 1.0 all over again.

Or you could have put in more effort to get to VH. You didn't even max out.

I was at VH to moderate on the 1st signing cycle. I didn't have to max out if the player signed then. I'm sure you've heard of plan B or, if you prefer, back-up plans. I know there's much caterwauling about players signing too fast in RS2. It comes from those who max out on one-two players, lose and simply don't have time to open actions on other players. It's because they didn't bother with other players beyond their top options. Not me.

You're mixing a couple different topics here.

You said you want the long shot signings because it allowed you to compete against an A prestige. Not exactly true in your case because you COULD have spent more and gotten to VH (and maybe knocked him down to moderate).

You're not paying attention. I did get to VH and knock him to moderate. When the player didn't sign, I'd shown my hand. The ONLY chance I had at that point was to spend the amount of resources I felt comfortable with while maintaining other options. Aim high but don't get caught with your unit in your hand if you miss.

Wrong.

You're ONLY chance didn't force you to try to get this guy while saving money for other guys. That was your choice. You had the option to spend more money which would have allowed you to compete against AZ. You didn't need a long shot dice roll to do that.

caterwauling

But your last sentence actually hits on your real intention. You'd like a chance to sign highly rated players against high prestige teams while still maintaining the ability of playing it safe instead of taking a real risk.

At least be honest with what you'd prefer and don't make it about high prestiges beating up on the little guys because those days are gone.

this is probably an area where d3 is a totally different game than d1. in d3, this "25 beats 75" is frustrating and i hate it and would be glad to see it go. but we all know it aint going anywhere, so i'll just suffer in silence, noisily.

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 10:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 10:09:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/30/2018 9:58:00 AM (view original):
No. A chance is all most/some/a few of us want. If it's only a 1 in 3 chance, so be it. You saw what happened with UNC-A/AZ. Take that away and just that A/B prestige planting flags on regional players with low prestige having no shot. Which is 1.0 all over again.

Or you could have put in more effort to get to VH. You didn't even max out.

I was at VH to moderate on the 1st signing cycle. I didn't have to max out if the player signed then. I'm sure you've heard of plan B or, if you prefer, back-up plans. I know there's much caterwauling about players signing too fast in RS2. It comes from those who max out on one-two players, lose and simply don't have time to open actions on other players. It's because they didn't bother with other players beyond their top options. Not me.

You're mixing a couple different topics here.

You said you want the long shot signings because it allowed you to compete against an A prestige. Not exactly true in your case because you COULD have spent more and gotten to VH (and maybe knocked him down to moderate).

You're not paying attention. I did get to VH and knock him to moderate. When the player didn't sign, I'd shown my hand. The ONLY chance I had at that point was to spend the amount of resources I felt comfortable with while maintaining other options. Aim high but don't get caught with your unit in your hand if you miss.

Wrong.

You're ONLY chance didn't force you to try to get this guy while saving money for other guys. That was your choice. You had the option to spend more money which would have allowed you to compete against AZ. You didn't need a long shot dice roll to do that.

WRONG.

I had a rough idea of how much resources AZ had. Had he chosen to, he swats me away like an annoying benis, I mean fly, regardless if I spend 8 more HV or allocate 80 AP. So the SMART play is to hope to stay in on that guy while maintaining the other two targets(1 primary, 1 secondary). That way, if he drops the HV bomb and moves me to moderate/low, my class isn't completely destroyed.

There is more than one way, your way, to play this game. That may come as a shocker but it's a fact. .

Posted by Benis on 1/30/2018 10:21:00 AM (view original):
But your last sentence actually hits on your real intention. You'd like a chance to sign highly rated players against high prestige teams while still maintaining the ability of playing it safe instead of taking a real risk.

At least be honest with what you'd prefer and don't make it about high prestiges beating up on the little guys because those days are gone.

Don't tell me what I'm saying. It's right there in black and white for anyone to read.

In a H vs VH battle with differing prestiges there can be four different outcomes: higher prestige is VH and wins, higher prestige is VH and loses, higher prestige is H and wins, higher prestige is H and loses. The case you're talking about here is where the higher prestige is H and wins. I looked through the top 100 right now in Wooden and even though it's a small dataset I think it shows that you're looking at this incorrectly. Out of 14 instances, the case you're talking about happened one time, where the higher prestige team won the recruit while only being at high. It's actually more likely that allowing H to beat VH is helping lower prestige teams beat out higher prestige teams, as shown by the five times the H team won despite being lower prestige. Granted, this is a tiny dataset and I don't know the exact percentages of each battle, but I think it's possible that H beating VH helps lower prestige teams rather than hurting them.
higher prestige is VH and wins: 2
higher prestige is VH and loses: 5
higher prestige is H and wins: 1
higher prestige is H and loses: 6

	Higher Prestige
Winner		VH	H	Total
	VH	2	5	7
	H	6	1	7
	Total	8	6	14