Trump: Worst President Ever? Topic

One of Trump’s first actions in the White House was to quash former President Barack Obama’s recommendation for a new regulation that would prevent people with severe mental health illnesses from purchasing guns.
2/15/2018 5:30 PM
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Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
Are we not going to talk about the school shooting in florida?
How do you stop a shooter?
Well, for one, you don't let him have a gun.
Sounds easy, right? How will you enforce that?
By imposing gun control that doesn't allow felons to have guns and making sure that people who purchase guns know how to use them? Both of these things would have prevented the shooting in Florida.

Look at Australia. Zero school shootings in 20 years. They passed gun control 20 years ago. Coincidence?
gun control will only go so far. Many of those felons you talk about already have guns. You think they are going to turn them in because its the law? They are felons. They do not care about laws.
I'll give you 2,000 bucks for your gun. You watch how many get turned in. Better than paying for a wall, thats for sure.
2/15/2018 6:10 PM
I'm sure many will get turned in, but a good many of the criminals who turn them in will just go out and steal/find another gun.
2/15/2018 6:23 PM
So, f' it, let's do nothing then, since all of the bad guys won't follow....

isn't doing something, fuggin anything, better than status quo?

2/15/2018 6:26 PM
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
2/15/2018 6:34 PM
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Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
Are we not going to talk about the school shooting in florida?
How do you stop a shooter?
Well, for one, you don't let him have a gun.
Sounds easy, right? How will you enforce that?
By imposing gun control that doesn't allow felons to have guns and making sure that people who purchase guns know how to use them? Both of these things would have prevented the shooting in Florida.

Look at Australia. Zero school shootings in 20 years. They passed gun control 20 years ago. Coincidence?
Pretty sure we have a law saying felons can't have guns. Yet a couple days ago here in Chicago and officer was shot and killed by a four-time felon. How did that happen?
Because after a felon is released he can get a gun.
So then, back to the same question.... how are you going to enforce that law?
By actually imposing that regulation?

It's like legalizing cocaine because even if it is illegal people will still use it.

I mean, yeah, people could, in theory, get one, but it is much more unlikely.
2/15/2018 6:38 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 5:03:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
Are we not going to talk about the school shooting in florida?
How do you stop a shooter?
Well, for one, you don't let him have a gun.
Sounds easy, right? How will you enforce that?
By imposing gun control that doesn't allow felons to have guns and making sure that people who purchase guns know how to use them? Both of these things would have prevented the shooting in Florida.

Look at Australia. Zero school shootings in 20 years. They passed gun control 20 years ago. Coincidence?
gun control will only go so far. Many of those felons you talk about already have guns. You think they are going to turn them in because its the law? They are felons. They do not care about laws.
So get a search warrant and search their house?
2/15/2018 6:38 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.
2/15/2018 6:39 PM
Australia put in gun control 20 years ago. They have not had a mass murder since then. Coincidence?
2/15/2018 6:40 PM
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):
Australia put in gun control 20 years ago. They have not had a mass murder since then. Coincidence?

Many people are pushing for the United States to model it’s gun policy after Australia with extremely strict gun control as well as gun confiscation. They point to Australia having “no mass shootings” since 1996 when these laws were enacted.

I would like to tell you how the media, gun control advocates and liberals are again wrong with this agenda, as well as explain to you a bit more about the Australia phenomenon. First, regardless of what the media and liberals tell you, mass shootings have occurred in Australia. Let’s look at just the last 3 years.

In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).

“But wait, that’s only 3 since 2011! We’ve had 29 in America alone in that same time period!”

This is also a bit of trickery with numbers and comparing statistics. Yes, there have been 29 in America since 2011, and I do not dispute that. But let’s dig deep into numbers- Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife. Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire. Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods. I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless.

2/15/2018 6:47 PM
Paul Gates finalizing his plea deal.

let's get this party started
2/15/2018 6:49 PM
How did Putin propose to Trump?


He went to Jared
2/15/2018 6:55 PM
Posted by bottomlee on 2/15/2018 6:26:00 PM (view original):
So, f' it, let's do nothing then, since all of the bad guys won't follow....

isn't doing something, fuggin anything, better than status quo?

Lol... Sounds like the libs with the wall.... If it won't stop every illegal 100% of the time then it's f'ing worthless!!!!
2/15/2018 7:18 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 2/15/2018 2:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 10:39:00 AM (view original):
Are we not going to talk about the school shooting in florida?
How do you stop a shooter?
Well, for one, you don't let him have a gun.
Sounds easy, right? How will you enforce that?
By imposing gun control that doesn't allow felons to have guns and making sure that people who purchase guns know how to use them? Both of these things would have prevented the shooting in Florida.

Look at Australia. Zero school shootings in 20 years. They passed gun control 20 years ago. Coincidence?
Pretty sure we have a law saying felons can't have guns. Yet a couple days ago here in Chicago and officer was shot and killed by a four-time felon. How did that happen?
Because after a felon is released he can get a gun.
So then, back to the same question.... how are you going to enforce that law?
By actually imposing that regulation?

It's like legalizing cocaine because even if it is illegal people will still use it.

I mean, yeah, people could, in theory, get one, but it is much more unlikely.
We ARE enforcing it... You think cops are just letting felons run around with illegal guns?

It's ineffective because felons acquire guns illegally without asking the police first.

Which goes back to my first question.... How do you stop a shooter? People with intent to kill will find a way to get a gun. How do you stop them when they shoot?
2/15/2018 7:26 PM

The White House will not release a photograph of President Donald Trump signing legislation last year making it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns, CBS News reported Thursday.

"We don't plan to release the picture at this time," press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders told CBS News in an email dated April 19, 2017.

CBS said Thursday the response from Sanders came after "repeated emails and phone calls" for the photo.

Trump signed the legislation Feb. 28, 2017, in the Roosevelt Room of the White House. It rolled back an Obama-era rule enacted after the Sandy Hook school massacre in Connecticut in December 2016.

CBS asked for a picture from the session — and it was the network's 12th request.

A White House photographer told CBS that pictures were taken of the signing.

2/15/2018 7:26 PM
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