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Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.
2/16/2018 2:53 PM
Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.
2/16/2018 2:57 PM
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 2/15/2018 6:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):
Australia put in gun control 20 years ago. They have not had a mass murder since then. Coincidence?

Many people are pushing for the United States to model it’s gun policy after Australia with extremely strict gun control as well as gun confiscation. They point to Australia having “no mass shootings” since 1996 when these laws were enacted.

I would like to tell you how the media, gun control advocates and liberals are again wrong with this agenda, as well as explain to you a bit more about the Australia phenomenon. First, regardless of what the media and liberals tell you, mass shootings have occurred in Australia. Let’s look at just the last 3 years.

In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).

“But wait, that’s only 3 since 2011! We’ve had 29 in America alone in that same time period!”

This is also a bit of trickery with numbers and comparing statistics. Yes, there have been 29 in America since 2011, and I do not dispute that. But let’s dig deep into numbers- Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife. Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire. Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods. I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless.

There were about 3 per year before 1996. You are incorrect.
I don't believe you. Just cause you said it doesn't make it so.

You are incorrect. Please correct yourself and post the actual numbers.
2/16/2018 3:41 PM
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 7:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 2/15/2018 7:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.
That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS
No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.
Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?
2/16/2018 3:46 PM
Posted by moy23 on 2/15/2018 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Mental Illness is another good COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL law... We need to STOP people with mental illness from getting guns!!! How do you define that? How do you get people on the 'mental illness' banned list?" You probably think I have a mental illness (and maybe I do) yet I can walk into a store and easily buy a gun. I have the cash, I work, I don't take any meds, and I've never seen a shrink.
AMEN BROTHER!
2/16/2018 3:47 PM
Tang likes making up statistics, and pretending that they're real. He's like the fake stats king of this board.
2/16/2018 3:48 PM
2/16/2018 3:55 PM
Posted by moy23 on 2/15/2018 11:09:00 PM (view original):
Remember when democrats controlled the house, the presidency, and had a filibuster proof senate majority and didn't do ANYTHING to pass COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL after the Fort Hood Massacre (killed 13, injured 30 more) in 2009? The NRA and those mean Republicans could do nothing to stop them! VOTE DEMOCRAT FOR COMMON SENSE GUN CONTROL!!
THERE IS A LOT of things they didn't pass. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT!

They could have passed ANYTHING but they didn't. WHY?
2/16/2018 4:22 PM
Posted by laramiebob on 2/16/2018 2:14:00 PM (view original):
Cool. Armed teachers. Pass em all out AK -47's or AR -15's............. that way they'll be equally equipped. And give em' MAGA ballcaps, too.............. and sunglasses........
There are things we can do.
2/16/2018 4:27 PM
Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
There are alternatives.
2/16/2018 4:27 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 2/16/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.
Really?
2/16/2018 4:28 PM
Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 2:57:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.
I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.
2/16/2018 4:39 PM
Posted by DougOut on 2/16/2018 3:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 7:41:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 2/15/2018 6:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):
Australia put in gun control 20 years ago. They have not had a mass murder since then. Coincidence?

Many people are pushing for the United States to model it’s gun policy after Australia with extremely strict gun control as well as gun confiscation. They point to Australia having “no mass shootings” since 1996 when these laws were enacted.

I would like to tell you how the media, gun control advocates and liberals are again wrong with this agenda, as well as explain to you a bit more about the Australia phenomenon. First, regardless of what the media and liberals tell you, mass shootings have occurred in Australia. Let’s look at just the last 3 years.

In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).

“But wait, that’s only 3 since 2011! We’ve had 29 in America alone in that same time period!”

This is also a bit of trickery with numbers and comparing statistics. Yes, there have been 29 in America since 2011, and I do not dispute that. But let’s dig deep into numbers- Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife. Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire. Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods. I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless.

There were about 3 per year before 1996. You are incorrect.
I don't believe you. Just cause you said it doesn't make it so.

You are incorrect. Please correct yourself and post the actual numbers.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/03/did_gun_control_stop_mass_shootings_in_australia_probably.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091


I can keep going. Also you can literally just look it up and press images. Google is a fascinating concept.
2/16/2018 4:44 PM
Posted by DougOut on 2/16/2018 3:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 7:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by moy23 on 2/15/2018 7:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.
That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS
No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.
Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?
It is common knowledge that regular walking over the border illegal immigration accounts for about a fourth of illegal immigrations. Do some research.

The second amendment is about having a well regulated militia. I don't see how it relates
2/16/2018 4:46 PM
Posted by toddcommish on 2/16/2018 3:48:00 PM (view original):
Tang likes making up statistics, and pretending that they're real. He's like the fake stats king of this board.
Name a statistic I made up.
2/16/2018 4:47 PM
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