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Posted by DougOut on 2/15/2018 6:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):
Australia put in gun control 20 years ago. They have not had a mass murder since then. Coincidence?

Many people are pushing for the United States to model it’s gun policy after Australia with extremely strict gun control as well as gun confiscation. They point to Australia having “no mass shootings” since 1996 when these laws were enacted.

I would like to tell you how the media, gun control advocates and liberals are again wrong with this agenda, as well as explain to you a bit more about the Australia phenomenon. First, regardless of what the media and liberals tell you, mass shootings have occurred in Australia. Let’s look at just the last 3 years.

In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).

“But wait, that’s only 3 since 2011! We’ve had 29 in America alone in that same time period!”

This is also a bit of trickery with numbers and comparing statistics. Yes, there have been 29 in America since 2011, and I do not dispute that. But let’s dig deep into numbers- Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife. Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire. Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods. I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless.

There were about 3 per year before 1996. You are incorrect.

I don't believe you. Just cause you said it doesn't make it so.

You are incorrect. Please correct yourself and post the actual numbers.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/03/did_gun_control_stop_mass_shootings_in_australia_probably.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091


I can keep going. Also you can literally just look it up and press images. Google is a fascinating concept.

I have the actual stats which I posted which you can click on.

You have black letters of nothingness.

Google is a fascinating concept. You should try posting it.

Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 4:46:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.

So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.

That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS

No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.

Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?

It is common knowledge that regular walking over the border illegal immigration accounts for about a fourth of illegal immigrations. Do some research.

The second amendment is about having a well regulated militia. I don't see how it relates

Common knowledge is not a statistic. There you go again.

And YOU ARE SPOT ON about the 2nd amendment. We couldn't be in more agreement of the people being able to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. And, as you know, WE THE PEOPLE are the militia.

THANKS!

I HAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS

We have adults going to work each and every day in the judicial system. JUDGES. And they got a lot of people ****** off at them. A lot of people would like to kill them. But they can't. They're protected by security. Third world countries have their judges murdered and manipulated and controlled because of a lack of security and funds.
We go to sporting events protected by security.
Try walking into an airport. We have security all over the place.
So let's put a couple of security guys in school so they can....................NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

YOU CAN'T PROTECT OUR CHILDREN! THAT'S JUST WRONG! OUR CHILDREN NEED TO BE MURDERED NEEDLESSLY!

That's what I'm hearing.

Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 4:39:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless

That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.

I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.

I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.

Who said it has to be a teacher?

Would you rather NOT protect your child?

SO ANYWAYS, there's a lot of things that could be done, but some people would rather keep the problem than get the solution.

DRUGS: Who gives more money to politicians than any other group? BIG PHARMA!

The drugs they give kids these days for all kinds of stuff have warning labels. May make you nuts. Kill people. And we give it to them.
And there's no follow up. Yet we have BIG GOVERNMENT with counselors and reach out and child protection and blah blah blah....

WHERE WERE THEY for this kid? How does he get a gun? How is he not monitored? Why does every kid in his school know and the adults don't?

THIS IS ****** UP.

DO YOU WANT TO FIX IT?

We can either throw more money at it OR hold people responsible for not doing their government taxpayer job. FIRE them instead of moving them over.

AND WHERE WAS THE FBI?

The agency leaders, formally hired by OBAMA and given money to their wives to run for Federal office, were preoccupied with a fake dossier going in circles for a political ploy designed for a midterm election in an effort to disable or remove from office, a duly elected President against the will and constitutional rights of the people.

You can't just walk into the airport, but you can shoot up kids in school.

Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 4:46:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2018 6:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.

So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.

That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS

No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.

Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?

It is common knowledge that regular walking over the border illegal immigration accounts for about a fourth of illegal immigrations. Do some research.

The second amendment is about having a well regulated militia. I don't see how it relates

It's closer to 50% of illegals cross the border. 50% are visa overstays. 0% by drone.

Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 4:39:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless

That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.

I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.

I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.

You sissy.

Posted by DougOut on 2/16/2018 5:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 4:39:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 2:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless

That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.

I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.

I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.

Who said it has to be a teacher?

Would you rather NOT protect your child?

Tang has never met a responsible gun owner. He doesn't know they come in all kinds of different professions, including teachers.

I know a bunch of ex-military that could get the job done.

Posted by DougOut on 2/16/2018 7:05:00 PM (view original):
I know a bunch of ex-military that could get the job done.

Schools don't have the money.... It all goes to their pensions

you going to complain that teachers make too much money? I've heard read what I consider stupid posts from you, but if you think that, it may be a new low.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/16/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless

I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.

very small sample size, but every teacher I've asked so far (and answered) has said they would not want to carry guns at school. Granted, I don't think any of the people I've asked are already gun owners, but I don't know that for sure.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/16/2018 7:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/16/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless

I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.

very small sample size, but every teacher I've asked so far (and answered) has said they would not want to carry guns at school. Granted, I don't think any of the people I've asked are already gun owners, but I don't know that for sure.

Ask gun owners. People who don't own guns are too scared to even touch them. The three teachers that died in Florida this week probably would wish there was somebody in that school that could take this kid down.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/16/2018 7:30:00 PM (view original):
you going to complain that teachers make too much money? I've heard read what I consider stupid posts from you, but if you think that, it may be a new low.

That's not what I said. I said the money goes to their pensions... There's no money left for anything else. That's a fact, even if you won't acknowledge it.

That's where Obamas TRILLION dollar stimulus went. Unions. Mostly teacher.

Then they gave a boatload back to him. For re-election.

Where I come from...they call it money laundering.