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Australia put in gun control 20 years ago. They have not had a mass murder since then. Coincidence?

Many people are pushing for the United States to model it’s gun policy after Australia with extremely strict gun control as well as gun confiscation. They point to Australia having “no mass shootings” since 1996 when these laws were enacted.

I would like to tell you how the media, gun control advocates and liberals are again wrong with this agenda, as well as explain to you a bit more about the Australia phenomenon. First, regardless of what the media and liberals tell you, mass shootings have occurred in Australia. Let’s look at just the last 3 years.

In 2011, there was a mass shooting in Hectorville. In 2014, one in Hunt, and again in 2014 one in Wedderburn (which was a 4 hour siege of a neighborhood).

“But wait, that’s only 3 since 2011! We’ve had 29 in America alone in that same time period!”

This is also a bit of trickery with numbers and comparing statistics. Yes, there have been 29 in America since 2011, and I do not dispute that. But let’s dig deep into numbers- Australia only has 23 million people living in it (with a large amount of those very spread out). But let’s just stick to quantity and not density. The United States has nearly 14 times as many people, at nearly 320 million. So if you compare apples to apples, if Australia had as many people as the United States and the ratio of mass killings to total populace remained the same, Australia would have 42 mass killings compared to 29 in the United States. That is 13 more!

Finally, if someone really wants to kill someone, they will find a way. Let’s look at the recent Cairns child killings in Australia where someone killed 8 children with a knife. Or the Quaker Hill Nursing home arson in Australia that killed 11 by fire. Or the Lin killings, also in Australia, that killed 5 with a hammer.

The facts are this: gun control doesn’t work, and pointing towards programs on other countries that are statistically manipulative does not solve the problem. Bad people will still find a way to get guns or kill by other methods. I would much rather people have the right to own a gun and give them the capacity to defend themselves than take away that right and leave them defenseless from those that will kill or harm regardless.

There were about 3 per year before 1996. You are incorrect.
I don't believe you. Just cause you said it doesn't make it so.

You are incorrect. Please correct yourself and post the actual numbers.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/10/03/did_gun_control_stop_mass_shootings_in_australia_probably.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/no-mass-shootings-australia-20-years-how-did-they-do-n597091


I can keep going. Also you can literally just look it up and press images. Google is a fascinating concept.
I have the actual stats which I posted which you can click on.

You have black letters of nothingness.

Google is a fascinating concept. You should try posting it.
Your ststs do not disprove what I am saying. Copy/paste the links.
2/16/2018 9:46 PM
Posted by DougOut on 2/16/2018 5:01:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.
That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS
No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.
Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?
It is common knowledge that regular walking over the border illegal immigration accounts for about a fourth of illegal immigrations. Do some research.

The second amendment is about having a well regulated militia. I don't see how it relates
Common knowledge is not a statistic. There you go again.

And YOU ARE SPOT ON about the 2nd amendment. We couldn't be in more agreement of the people being able to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. And, as you know, WE THE PEOPLE are the militia.

THANKS!
Politico in 2016 said that a 40% number on the amount of illegals entering by plane is too low.
2/16/2018 9:48 PM
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Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.
I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.
Who said it has to be a teacher?

Would you rather NOT protect your child?
I am fine with guards.
2/16/2018 9:49 PM
Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 6:18:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.
That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS
No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.
Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?
It is common knowledge that regular walking over the border illegal immigration accounts for about a fourth of illegal immigrations. Do some research.

The second amendment is about having a well regulated militia. I don't see how it relates
It's closer to 50% of illegals cross the border. 50% are visa overstays. 0% by drone.
0% Airplanes? Tunnels? Boats? Anything else?
2/16/2018 9:51 PM
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Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.
I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.
You sissy.
I am not a sissy.
2/16/2018 9:51 PM
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Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.
I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.
Who said it has to be a teacher?

Would you rather NOT protect your child?
Tang has never met a responsible gun owner. He doesn't know they come in all kinds of different professions, including teachers.
IRRELEVENT
2/16/2018 9:52 PM
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Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.
That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS
No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.
Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?
It is common knowledge that regular walking over the border illegal immigration accounts for about a fourth of illegal immigrations. Do some research.

The second amendment is about having a well regulated militia. I don't see how it relates
It's closer to 50% of illegals cross the border. 50% are visa overstays. 0% by drone.
0% Airplanes? Tunnels? Boats? Anything else?
Lol... Tunnels? Uhhhh....Wouldn't that be considered the southern border? Or are you referring to the tunnels running under the Atlantic from Morocco to New York? Airplanes are visa overstays. Boats are less than 1%, way less. Your buddy Jorge Ramos says visa overstays are 40%, I gave you credit for 50%. Bottom line is your 25% # is a joke.
2/16/2018 10:32 PM
Posted by tangplay on 2/16/2018 9:51:00 PM (view original):
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Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.
I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.
You sissy.
I am not a sissy.
That's debatable.... Do you need a safe space cause your feelings are hurt?
2/16/2018 10:36 PM
Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 10:32:00 PM (view original):
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Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2018 6:34:00 PM (view original):
sure, something is better than nothing, but it won't resolve the problem. Probably not even make much of a dent in it.
So if we cannot get rid of literally every mass murder it is a failure? Be logical.
That's YOUR wall argument. #HILARIOUS
No, my wall argument is that the cost compared to the actual rate that it would stop the problems you stated is about 25% of the time. Gun control costs less and, you know, actually cuts the amount of mass shootings significantly.
Gun control costs less? Less than the 2nd Amendment? Can we ditch the 1st amendment while we're at it?

I thought it was ANYTHING to save ONE life. I've heard it over and over all my life. And now suddenly 25% isn't good enough?

And who came up with 25%? Why should I believe that?
It is common knowledge that regular walking over the border illegal immigration accounts for about a fourth of illegal immigrations. Do some research.

The second amendment is about having a well regulated militia. I don't see how it relates
It's closer to 50% of illegals cross the border. 50% are visa overstays. 0% by drone.
0% Airplanes? Tunnels? Boats? Anything else?
Lol... Tunnels? Uhhhh....Wouldn't that be considered the southern border? Or are you referring to the tunnels running under the Atlantic from Morocco to New York? Airplanes are visa overstays. Boats are less than 1%, way less. Your buddy Jorge Ramos says visa overstays are 40%, I gave you credit for 50%. Bottom line is your 25% # is a joke.
OK so let me break this down. VISA overstays and airplanes are definitely not the same thing. Visa overstays can mean coming in legally over the border and just staying. Airplanes are different. I will say 50% come in through overstays. It is subjective, but the wall IMO will stop 25%, considering people will just switch over to other methods if they want to get in, you can also bypass a wall easily.
2/16/2018 11:17 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
That I disagree with. Trained armed guards is one thing. Teachers? Too far.
I'm not saying every teacher... But those that already have FOID cards and already have been trained as to how to use and store a gun responsibly. Where's the harm in that? And it doesn't cost anything extra.
I would not feel comfortable with my child's teacher having a firearm.
You sissy.
I am not a sissy.
That's debatable.... Do you need a safe space cause your feelings are hurt?
It is subjective.
2/16/2018 11:18 PM
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Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.
very small sample size, but every teacher I've asked so far (and answered) has said they would not want to carry guns at school. Granted, I don't think any of the people I've asked are already gun owners, but I don't know that for sure.
Ask gun owners. People who don't own guns are too scared to even touch them. The three teachers that died in Florida this week probably would wish there was somebody in that school that could take this kid down.
ask gun owners if they'd be willing to carry guns??? Kind of a stupid question, isn't it? I'm asking the teachers I know. I can't control whether they have guns or not.
2/17/2018 12:08 AM
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Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.
very small sample size, but every teacher I've asked so far (and answered) has said they would not want to carry guns at school. Granted, I don't think any of the people I've asked are already gun owners, but I don't know that for sure.
Ask gun owners. People who don't own guns are too scared to even touch them. The three teachers that died in Florida this week probably would wish there was somebody in that school that could take this kid down.
ask gun owners if they'd be willing to carry guns??? Kind of a stupid question, isn't it? I'm asking the teachers I know. I can't control whether they have guns or not.
If you think that's a stupid question then you are missing my point. If there's a handful of teachers in the school that ALREADY know how to use and store a gun responsibly.... Allow them to conceal and carry. I'm not suggesting you force every teacher. Trust me, if there's an active shooter in their school those that own guns would prefer to have the gun on them and not in a safe back home.... and those that don't own guns will be grateful to have these people around.

If you want to ask the right question, ask your teacher friends this "if there's an active shooter in your school would you prefer to have a handful of responsible gun owners nearby or to be a sitting duck until the police arrive?"
2/17/2018 3:59 AM (edited)
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Posted by moy23 on 2/16/2018 12:58:00 PM (view original):
Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.
very small sample size, but every teacher I've asked so far (and answered) has said they would not want to carry guns at school. Granted, I don't think any of the people I've asked are already gun owners, but I don't know that for sure.
Ask gun owners. People who don't own guns are too scared to even touch them. The three teachers that died in Florida this week probably would wish there was somebody in that school that could take this kid down.
ask gun owners if they'd be willing to carry guns??? Kind of a stupid question, isn't it? I'm asking the teachers I know. I can't control whether they have guns or not.
If you think that's a stupid question then you are missing my point. If there's a handful of teachers in the school that ALREADY know how to use and store a gun responsibly.... Allow them to conceal and carry. I'm not suggesting you force every teacher. Trust me, if there's an active shooter in their school those that own guns would prefer to have the gun on them and not in a safe back home.... and those that don't own guns will be grateful to have these people around.

If you want to ask the right question, ask your teacher friends this "if there's an active shooter in your school would you prefer to have a handful of responsible gun owners nearby or to be a sitting duck until the police arrive?"
That is a loaded question.

If a teacher had a gun it would be a false sense of security. Kids might be less likely to hide, run, etc. I want my kid to feel insecure during a school shooting.

Teachers with guns also mean more bullets. Most casualties are from hallways, etc. Right? So more bullets means more chance of kids being hit with bullets.
2/17/2018 7:43 AM
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Train the teachers. I'm sure there's plenty of them that are gun owners who would feel much safer carrying a handgun to work, especially after all these mass shootings where everyone is defenseless
I'd have to ask, but I'd be willing to bet most of the people I know who are teachers would not want to carry guns at school. They have enough on their plates without that.
Plus, the still would have to train the teachers. There is no money for that.
very small sample size, but every teacher I've asked so far (and answered) has said they would not want to carry guns at school. Granted, I don't think any of the people I've asked are already gun owners, but I don't know that for sure.
Ask gun owners. People who don't own guns are too scared to even touch them. The three teachers that died in Florida this week probably would wish there was somebody in that school that could take this kid down.
ask gun owners if they'd be willing to carry guns??? Kind of a stupid question, isn't it? I'm asking the teachers I know. I can't control whether they have guns or not.
If you think that's a stupid question then you are missing my point. If there's a handful of teachers in the school that ALREADY know how to use and store a gun responsibly.... Allow them to conceal and carry. I'm not suggesting you force every teacher. Trust me, if there's an active shooter in their school those that own guns would prefer to have the gun on them and not in a safe back home.... and those that don't own guns will be grateful to have these people around.

If you want to ask the right question, ask your teacher friends this "if there's an active shooter in your school would you prefer to have a handful of responsible gun owners nearby or to be a sitting duck until the police arrive?"
That is a loaded question.

If a teacher had a gun it would be a false sense of security. Kids might be less likely to hide, run, etc. I want my kid to feel insecure during a school shooting.

Teachers with guns also mean more bullets. Most casualties are from hallways, etc. Right? So more bullets means more chance of kids being hit with bullets.
Hardly a loaded question at all.... And it's not just any teacher, it's those that are trained to use and store guns responsibly.

Its odd that you're worried about your child's FEELINGS during an active shooter situation. WOW!!

I'm worried about my kids getting out alive.
2/17/2018 8:16 AM (edited)
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