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Posted by tangplay on 5/8/2018 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/8/2018 7:02:00 PM (view original):
Fair

#1) Do you believe an African American boy born on May 10th 2018 is at a disadvantage to a white boy born on the same day? Both have two parents earning about the same and live in the same neighborhood?

#2) Please name specific institutions that you believe redline or discriminate right now sans police departments, which we agree need to be revamped for many reasons. Interestingly some of the dumbest kids in my HS are now police officers. Can't make this stuff up.

#3) Prove that private prisons are worse than federal ones.

#4) Would you support a $10Bn campaign country wide that promotes HS graduation and no kids before marriage or partnership where two parents can raise the child?

#5) Do you think bad luck is a dumbass?

#1) I believe that the African American boy has systematic disadvantages despite being completely equal to the white boy. This does not mean that the white person will always turn out better, and it is very slim, but still.

#2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/28/evidence-that-banks-still-deny-black-borrowers-just-as-they-did-50-years-ago/?noredirect=on
Banks. Housing.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/09/redlining-is-alive-and-welland-evolving/407497/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/remember-redlining-its-alive-and-evolving/433065/

#3) Private prisons have one goal: Profit. Not to rehabilitate or to make the world better.
http://time.com/4461791/private-prisons-department-of-justice/
https://www.aclu.org/blog/mass-incarceration/private-prisons-are-problem-not-solution

#4) Hmm.. I would... on the condition that more research and study is done to prove that a campaign/funding for the problem actually makes the rate go up.

#5) I wouldn't say dumbass, but I do disagree with many things he says.
#1) See I think that view = racism. I 100% disagree with it.

#2) Banks are interested in $$. They would not deny Kyrie Irving. For those specific banks they should be punished and fined if their approvals are color based. I don't think they are.

#3) I agree but if you tie the profits to rehabilitation then it may work. Just need to change the incentives.

#4) What is your solution then to ensure that kids have two parents. You claim to know sports and I think you would agree that the Patriots have been pretty good. Under the current regime they only draft players who have strong father figures. I think it has worked out fairly well for them. For example Dez Bryant was not on their radar. Until you can see that it is not color (bad luck is an idiot) but lack of two parents, specifically strong father figures that impact the African American culture so negatively we will never agree.

#5) Fair enough
5/9/2018 8:42 AM
Posted by strikeout26 on 5/8/2018 11:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/8/2018 4:21:00 PM (view original):
1. Equalize education spending per student.
2. Require body cameras for police.
3. Change the justice system so that police are accountable (Right now people in criminal justice work with police so they are prosecuting their own co-workers. Also don't let police who commit crimes re sign with other police stations.
4. Stop the war on drugs. Don't over perscribe Opioids.
5. Take away voter ID laws.
6. Invest in prison rehabilitation.
7. Better and more public defenders.
8. Strip out individual cases of redlining.
9. Invest in local poverty solutions.
Sorry, Tang. I've been busy making money so that you can redistribute it.

Lets start with this. I have been telling you for a long time that every suggestion you have requires government intervention. You just proved my point. You just gave me 9 solutions that involve government intervention. So, what you're telling me is that you believe the government can solve all of our problems. Also, most of your solutions require more spending by the government. The government doesn't produce anything and is already $21 Trillion in debt. Where does this money come from? I know. Lets tax the top 1%. I guess 40% of their income already going to the federal government is not enough. Lets make it 60%. Just because they either worked hard or were extremely innovative, they still don't deserve to keep what they've earned. It's better to give it to perfectly healthy people without jobs.

Now, lets talk about your list:

1. I've worked in an inner city school. Funding is not an issue. The problem is that the kids don't care about education. Why do they not care? Because it is not stressed at home. If you would like to hear some of comments that I heard, let me know and I will be glad to share. Kids who take education serious in poor schools are chastised by their peers. If you really want these schools to thrive, you have to be quicker to dismiss the children with behavioral issues. The biggest problem is that teachers are not able to teach because they can't get control of their classrooms. Money can't fix that.

2. I'm okay with this. I think the majority of cops are honest, decent people who work very stressful and dangerous jobs, but I don't see any harm in this.

3. See #2.

4. Don't have any knowledge on this.

5. Stupid idea. We need an assurance that the person who is voting is who he says he is. Now, if you wanted to add pictures to voter registration cards, i'm okay with that.

6. Invest what? If you mean money, how will it help? Where will the money come from?

7. Public defenders are the lowest paid of all lawyers. Why would the better ones want to take this job?

8. Banks are in the business of making money. If they deem you a default risk, they will not lend to you. Banks do not care which race you are. If you have good credit and a stable income they will loan to you.

9. Invest what? If you mean money, prove to me that these programs work. Also, where is this money going to come from?
LMAO...very funny.

#1) Agreed. Need two parents.

#2) Same page

#3) Agreed

#4) I would legalize drugs.

#5) Agreed 100%

#6) Privatize.

#7) Exactly. Need to force more pro bono work from the elite attorneys.

#8) 100% correct. I am a banker.

#9) Graduate HS, don't become a single parent, get a job.
5/9/2018 8:45 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 1:16:00 AM (view original):
Btw CCCP, I assume you like that the US pulled out of the Iran deal? If so, why? I want to hear your arguments because it makes zero sense to me.
I don't trust Iran. I also don't trust our media or any media. So it is tough for me to judge DJT or BHO. If someone could give me honest detail on the deal and monitoring I would opine better.

It sound as though I am dodging your question. I apologize. But I truly don't have enough details to opine fairly. Israel said it was a bad deal and I side with Israel 100x out of 100 so I will side with DJT on that one. To me, rightly or wrongly the Islamic countries are corrupt. They all treat women like 2nd class citizens at best, they hate dogs and they cannot separate church and state. Apostasy is punishable by death. If you are gay you are killed.

Tough for me to side with Islamic countries on anything.

The WWE was recently in KSA. Only the men were allowed to perform. In the audience, women were only allowed if accompanied by a man. I know KSA is not Iran but honestly, their backwards cultures annoy me.
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US, UK, China etc would...
  • Lift all sanctions within 4 to 12 months of a final accord.
  • Develop a mechanism to restore old sanctions if Iran fails to comply as per IAEA reports and inspection.
  • The United States will remove sanctions against domestic and foreign companies who do business with Iran.
  • All UN-related sanctions will be dismantled.

IRAN WOULD:
  • Reduction in the number of installed centrifuges from 19,000 to 6,104 and only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years.[21][22]
  • Reduce stockpile of enriched uranium from current 10,000 to not more than 300 kilograms 3.67 percent enrich uranium for 15 years.
  • Fordo uranium enrichment facility will operate not more than 1,000 centrifuges for research. 5,000 R-1 centrifuges will be running at Natanz. The remaining 13,000 centrifuges will be used as spare, as needed.
  • Arak facility will be modified so as to produce a minimal amount of plutonium but will remain a heavy-water reactor.

That's the deal. Basically, remove sanctions in return for no nukes. The exact deal we want to make with NK btw.

So if you dislike Iran, you should support this. Experts say that this deal benefits the US way more than Iran. Iranian people were rioting and protesting on the streets when the Iranian deal was made. The deal makes Iran not build nukes for 10 years. Trump complained that it only lasted 10 years, so he canceled the deal. But news flash: 10>0. Because he cancelled the deal, if the deal falls through, Iran can build nukes NOW.
5/9/2018 10:42 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/8/2018 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/8/2018 7:02:00 PM (view original):
Fair

#1) Do you believe an African American boy born on May 10th 2018 is at a disadvantage to a white boy born on the same day? Both have two parents earning about the same and live in the same neighborhood?

#2) Please name specific institutions that you believe redline or discriminate right now sans police departments, which we agree need to be revamped for many reasons. Interestingly some of the dumbest kids in my HS are now police officers. Can't make this stuff up.

#3) Prove that private prisons are worse than federal ones.

#4) Would you support a $10Bn campaign country wide that promotes HS graduation and no kids before marriage or partnership where two parents can raise the child?

#5) Do you think bad luck is a dumbass?

#1) I believe that the African American boy has systematic disadvantages despite being completely equal to the white boy. This does not mean that the white person will always turn out better, and it is very slim, but still.

#2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/28/evidence-that-banks-still-deny-black-borrowers-just-as-they-did-50-years-ago/?noredirect=on
Banks. Housing.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/09/redlining-is-alive-and-welland-evolving/407497/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/remember-redlining-its-alive-and-evolving/433065/

#3) Private prisons have one goal: Profit. Not to rehabilitate or to make the world better.
http://time.com/4461791/private-prisons-department-of-justice/
https://www.aclu.org/blog/mass-incarceration/private-prisons-are-problem-not-solution

#4) Hmm.. I would... on the condition that more research and study is done to prove that a campaign/funding for the problem actually makes the rate go up.

#5) I wouldn't say dumbass, but I do disagree with many things he says.
#1) See I think that view = racism. I 100% disagree with it.

#2) Banks are interested in $$. They would not deny Kyrie Irving. For those specific banks they should be punished and fined if their approvals are color based. I don't think they are.

#3) I agree but if you tie the profits to rehabilitation then it may work. Just need to change the incentives.

#4) What is your solution then to ensure that kids have two parents. You claim to know sports and I think you would agree that the Patriots have been pretty good. Under the current regime they only draft players who have strong father figures. I think it has worked out fairly well for them. For example Dez Bryant was not on their radar. Until you can see that it is not color (bad luck is an idiot) but lack of two parents, specifically strong father figures that impact the African American culture so negatively we will never agree.

#5) Fair enough
#1) It is not racism. It is a fact. 100% a fact. Saying that the African American boy does not succeed more on average because his culture and family are not superior is racism.

#2) We are talking about if all other things are equal. Obviously. Read the articles.

#3) Yep. Privatizing may work, but ONLY with regulation or incentives.

#4) I don't know. I said that your solution may work but I need proof that it actually leads to less single parents.
5/9/2018 10:46 AM
Posted by strikeout26 on 5/9/2018 3:23:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 1:09:00 AM (view original):
I will address those later, gonna really think through my arguments.

As for the liberal part, could it be that most big cities are liberal, and more stuff is reported in big cities?
It could be, but I live in an area that's supposed to be the most racist area in the country (rural GA) and everyone just gets along. There are some old timers left that are still racist, but it is not prevalent here. I truly believe that the dems could care less about minorities. They just want their vote.
Rural GA is not supposed to be super racist. It's ALA and MIS. Cities.
5/9/2018 10:47 AM
BTW CCCP, if you don't trust media, where do you get your news? Your analysis? Anything you watch or read?
5/9/2018 10:47 AM
"If you really want these schools to thrive, you have to be quicker to dismiss the children with behavioral issues. The biggest problem is that teachers are not able to teach because they can't get control of their classrooms."

Sorry Coach, but I believe this statement to be complete bullshit. Absolutely 100% wrong. From a number of angles.
#1---- the quick expelling of children with "behavioral issues" is a complete abdication of duty and responsibility from a professional education standpoint. #2.---- The policy you are touting directly affects the more disadvantaged families of the larger community. Families with mental health issues, poverty issues, etc. Thus, in many areas of the Country the policy ends up being racist.
#3. A teacher who can not get "control" of their classroom should NOT be IN the classroom teaching. That situation (failing to control/command/interest the classroom) is the fault of the TEACHER, not the student.
I could give you a handful of more reasons. Better stick to coaching and leave the education admin. to others.

As the current POTUS likes to say........... Trust me.......... on this issue I'm quite sure I am correct.
I have a lot experience in both raising teachers and involvement within education.
For example. I'm a huge proponent of C.A.T. and believe that that learning method should be integrated in all our schools to whatever extent practicable.
5/9/2018 12:23 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 5/8/2018 11:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/8/2018 4:21:00 PM (view original):
1. Equalize education spending per student.
2. Require body cameras for police.
3. Change the justice system so that police are accountable (Right now people in criminal justice work with police so they are prosecuting their own co-workers. Also don't let police who commit crimes re sign with other police stations.
4. Stop the war on drugs. Don't over perscribe Opioids.
5. Take away voter ID laws.
6. Invest in prison rehabilitation.
7. Better and more public defenders.
8. Strip out individual cases of redlining.
9. Invest in local poverty solutions.
Sorry, Tang. I've been busy making money so that you can redistribute it.

Lets start with this. I have been telling you for a long time that every suggestion you have requires government intervention. You just proved my point. You just gave me 9 solutions that involve government intervention. So, what you're telling me is that you believe the government can solve all of our problems. Also, most of your solutions require more spending by the government. The government doesn't produce anything and is already $21 Trillion in debt. Where does this money come from? I know. Lets tax the top 1%. I guess 40% of their income already going to the federal government is not enough. Lets make it 60%. Just because they either worked hard or were extremely innovative, they still don't deserve to keep what they've earned. It's better to give it to perfectly healthy people without jobs.

Now, lets talk about your list:

1. I've worked in an inner city school. Funding is not an issue. The problem is that the kids don't care about education. Why do they not care? Because it is not stressed at home. If you would like to hear some of comments that I heard, let me know and I will be glad to share. Kids who take education serious in poor schools are chastised by their peers. If you really want these schools to thrive, you have to be quicker to dismiss the children with behavioral issues. The biggest problem is that teachers are not able to teach because they can't get control of their classrooms. Money can't fix that.

2. I'm okay with this. I think the majority of cops are honest, decent people who work very stressful and dangerous jobs, but I don't see any harm in this.

3. See #2.

4. Don't have any knowledge on this.

5. Stupid idea. We need an assurance that the person who is voting is who he says he is. Now, if you wanted to add pictures to voter registration cards, i'm okay with that.

6. Invest what? If you mean money, how will it help? Where will the money come from?

7. Public defenders are the lowest paid of all lawyers. Why would the better ones want to take this job?

8. Banks are in the business of making money. If they deem you a default risk, they will not lend to you. Banks do not care which race you are. If you have good credit and a stable income they will loan to you.

9. Invest what? If you mean money, prove to me that these programs work. Also, where is this money going to come from?

First off, money. Again, you have two options here.

1. Raise the top 1%'s taxes. If we raise it to 40% from 33%, we would rake in 157 billion more dollars per year. Well enough to pay for all of this and more. I will talk about costs later but this is a good way to raise funds. If we simply taxed the top 1% of the top 1% up to 40%, that would raise 55 billion. Still well enough to cover most of this. Remember, the top 1% gets 2.1 million dollars in income every year, and the top 1% of that raises 9.4 million per year. This is hardly a major increase. Instead of an average person keeping $1,407,00 of their annual revenue, they keep $1,260,000. Boo-hoo. Poor millionaires. Let's all cry for the super rich, who remain super rich. Sorry, I don't feel sorry.

2. Cut the military budget by 1/7. We currently spend 700 billion dollars on our military. More than China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, France, UK, Japan, Germany, South Korea, Italy, Australia, Brazil, Israel, Canada, Iran, and Turkey COMBINED spend. If we cut it by 100 billion dollars, we would still be spending just as much as we did at 9/11, and would still be tripling China's spending. And we could pay for all of this.

So, yeah, we have two pretty good options here. As to your point about government, I am not a libertarian. I believe that the government exists in part to create social change and to make the welfare of the people better. I am not scared of big brother.

Anyway, on to the list.

1. Some of that is correct. I went to the poorest school in my town, which was located in the poorest part of my town, and I have experienced kids who can't get their crap together. Is the solution to give up on these kids? No. Here's the thing. We had students (like me) in that school who legitimately wanted to learn and didn't have equal opportunity to compared to kids in other schools. Some kids who wanted to learn didn't have great role models for parents, but still were good kids. To be fair, though, you are correct that parenting is a big issue.

Anyway, while other kids had state-of-the-art technology and brand new renovations in their schools, we had classes in a shed, plaster crumbling from walls, and pages missing from textbooks. While other schools got super-good enrichment classes and tons of extracurricular activities, we had one year of sub-par honors schooling and almost no field trips or extracurricular activities. The teachers were underpaid and didn't want to be there, with one outright leaving in the middle of the year and not being replaced.

There are two issues with this. The first being that students who actually wanted to learn were way behind once we got to middle school. There were almost no kids from my school doing any extracurricular activities at higher levels, and most people who should be taking honors classes dropped out of them because the lack of teaching in elementary school left them behind.

Secondly, at a psychological level, when you have classes taking place in bad conditions, THAT TELLS YOU THAT YOUR EDUCATION DOESN'T MATTER. When a teacher leaves in the middle of the year, and the school doesn't replace them, that tells a third grader that school really isn't important. Same when you have classes in a shed. You may say that you have personal control over your actions but these are fourth graders we are talking about. They aren't making super complicated calculations in their head, or defying psychology.

Anyway, funding can fix that. Studies have shown that the more funding a school receives, the better achievement their students make. So, yeah, funding is definitely an issue. In Finland, they did a plan similar to this one, and EVERYONE'S achievement went up. One last thing: Some experts have said that investing in equalizing education could be really good for the US economy. If the poor were to do as well in school as everyone else, the cost of investing in education would pay for itself in the long run.

5/9/2018 12:44 PM
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 10:46:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/8/2018 10:55:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/8/2018 7:02:00 PM (view original):
Fair

#1) Do you believe an African American boy born on May 10th 2018 is at a disadvantage to a white boy born on the same day? Both have two parents earning about the same and live in the same neighborhood?

#2) Please name specific institutions that you believe redline or discriminate right now sans police departments, which we agree need to be revamped for many reasons. Interestingly some of the dumbest kids in my HS are now police officers. Can't make this stuff up.

#3) Prove that private prisons are worse than federal ones.

#4) Would you support a $10Bn campaign country wide that promotes HS graduation and no kids before marriage or partnership where two parents can raise the child?

#5) Do you think bad luck is a dumbass?

#1) I believe that the African American boy has systematic disadvantages despite being completely equal to the white boy. This does not mean that the white person will always turn out better, and it is very slim, but still.

#2) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/28/evidence-that-banks-still-deny-black-borrowers-just-as-they-did-50-years-ago/?noredirect=on
Banks. Housing.
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/09/redlining-is-alive-and-welland-evolving/407497/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/remember-redlining-its-alive-and-evolving/433065/

#3) Private prisons have one goal: Profit. Not to rehabilitate or to make the world better.
http://time.com/4461791/private-prisons-department-of-justice/
https://www.aclu.org/blog/mass-incarceration/private-prisons-are-problem-not-solution

#4) Hmm.. I would... on the condition that more research and study is done to prove that a campaign/funding for the problem actually makes the rate go up.

#5) I wouldn't say dumbass, but I do disagree with many things he says.
#1) See I think that view = racism. I 100% disagree with it.

#2) Banks are interested in $$. They would not deny Kyrie Irving. For those specific banks they should be punished and fined if their approvals are color based. I don't think they are.

#3) I agree but if you tie the profits to rehabilitation then it may work. Just need to change the incentives.

#4) What is your solution then to ensure that kids have two parents. You claim to know sports and I think you would agree that the Patriots have been pretty good. Under the current regime they only draft players who have strong father figures. I think it has worked out fairly well for them. For example Dez Bryant was not on their radar. Until you can see that it is not color (bad luck is an idiot) but lack of two parents, specifically strong father figures that impact the African American culture so negatively we will never agree.

#5) Fair enough
#1) It is not racism. It is a fact. 100% a fact. Saying that the African American boy does not succeed more on average because his culture and family are not superior is racism.

#2) We are talking about if all other things are equal. Obviously. Read the articles.

#3) Yep. Privatizing may work, but ONLY with regulation or incentives.

#4) I don't know. I said that your solution may work but I need proof that it actually leads to less single parents.
I cannot deal with you man. You are obviously just dumb. If you cannot see that kids with single parents are not on average as successful as those with two parents then I cannot help you. You are a moron.
5/9/2018 12:45 PM
I do see that. Kids with single parents are not as successful on average as those with two parents. The issue is that IDK if a propaganda campaign to raise awareness to it will actually lower rates of single parenthood.

Lowering rates of single parenthood is a good goal to have though.
5/9/2018 12:47 PM
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 10:47:00 AM (view original):
BTW CCCP, if you don't trust media, where do you get your news? Your analysis? Anything you watch or read?
I read the WSJ. I will watch Fox and CNN here or there. But I take what they say with a grain of salt, sadly. I just think news has become very biased. I want the facts so that I may make my own decision. Often these channels have debates from opposing views. I enjoy watching that so that I may see both points of view and then make my own decision. There are a lot of disparate views on the Iran deal. It looks to me as if Europe was duped and Iran used monies to fund terror groups. But others are saying that is not so. My gut tells me it is but I don't have concrete proof and I certainly will not take the word of Fox news for it.
5/9/2018 12:48 PM
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 12:48:00 PM (view original):
I do see that. Kids with single parents are not as successful on average as those with two parents. The issue is that IDK if a propaganda campaign to raise awareness to it will actually lower rates of single parenthood.

Lowering rates of single parenthood is a good goal to have though.
Thank you.

Is it propaganda? I mean was "Just say No" a propaganda campaign?

5/9/2018 12:50 PM
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 10:43:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 1:16:00 AM (view original):
Btw CCCP, I assume you like that the US pulled out of the Iran deal? If so, why? I want to hear your arguments because it makes zero sense to me.
I don't trust Iran. I also don't trust our media or any media. So it is tough for me to judge DJT or BHO. If someone could give me honest detail on the deal and monitoring I would opine better.

It sound as though I am dodging your question. I apologize. But I truly don't have enough details to opine fairly. Israel said it was a bad deal and I side with Israel 100x out of 100 so I will side with DJT on that one. To me, rightly or wrongly the Islamic countries are corrupt. They all treat women like 2nd class citizens at best, they hate dogs and they cannot separate church and state. Apostasy is punishable by death. If you are gay you are killed.

Tough for me to side with Islamic countries on anything.

The WWE was recently in KSA. Only the men were allowed to perform. In the audience, women were only allowed if accompanied by a man. I know KSA is not Iran but honestly, their backwards cultures annoy me.
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US, UK, China etc would...
  • Lift all sanctions within 4 to 12 months of a final accord.
  • Develop a mechanism to restore old sanctions if Iran fails to comply as per IAEA reports and inspection.
  • The United States will remove sanctions against domestic and foreign companies who do business with Iran.
  • All UN-related sanctions will be dismantled.

IRAN WOULD:
  • Reduction in the number of installed centrifuges from 19,000 to 6,104 and only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years.[21][22]
  • Reduce stockpile of enriched uranium from current 10,000 to not more than 300 kilograms 3.67 percent enrich uranium for 15 years.
  • Fordo uranium enrichment facility will operate not more than 1,000 centrifuges for research. 5,000 R-1 centrifuges will be running at Natanz. The remaining 13,000 centrifuges will be used as spare, as needed.
  • Arak facility will be modified so as to produce a minimal amount of plutonium but will remain a heavy-water reactor.

That's the deal. Basically, remove sanctions in return for no nukes. The exact deal we want to make with NK btw.

So if you dislike Iran, you should support this. Experts say that this deal benefits the US way more than Iran. Iranian people were rioting and protesting on the streets when the Iranian deal was made. The deal makes Iran not build nukes for 10 years. Trump complained that it only lasted 10 years, so he canceled the deal. But news flash: 10>0. Because he cancelled the deal, if the deal falls through, Iran can build nukes NOW.
OK and why doesn't DJT like it? What is his logic? Is he stating that Iran is not holding up its end of the bargain?
5/9/2018 12:51 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 12:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 10:43:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 8:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 1:16:00 AM (view original):
Btw CCCP, I assume you like that the US pulled out of the Iran deal? If so, why? I want to hear your arguments because it makes zero sense to me.
I don't trust Iran. I also don't trust our media or any media. So it is tough for me to judge DJT or BHO. If someone could give me honest detail on the deal and monitoring I would opine better.

It sound as though I am dodging your question. I apologize. But I truly don't have enough details to opine fairly. Israel said it was a bad deal and I side with Israel 100x out of 100 so I will side with DJT on that one. To me, rightly or wrongly the Islamic countries are corrupt. They all treat women like 2nd class citizens at best, they hate dogs and they cannot separate church and state. Apostasy is punishable by death. If you are gay you are killed.

Tough for me to side with Islamic countries on anything.

The WWE was recently in KSA. Only the men were allowed to perform. In the audience, women were only allowed if accompanied by a man. I know KSA is not Iran but honestly, their backwards cultures annoy me.
"
US, UK, China etc would...
  • Lift all sanctions within 4 to 12 months of a final accord.
  • Develop a mechanism to restore old sanctions if Iran fails to comply as per IAEA reports and inspection.
  • The United States will remove sanctions against domestic and foreign companies who do business with Iran.
  • All UN-related sanctions will be dismantled.

IRAN WOULD:
  • Reduction in the number of installed centrifuges from 19,000 to 6,104 and only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years.[21][22]
  • Reduce stockpile of enriched uranium from current 10,000 to not more than 300 kilograms 3.67 percent enrich uranium for 15 years.
  • Fordo uranium enrichment facility will operate not more than 1,000 centrifuges for research. 5,000 R-1 centrifuges will be running at Natanz. The remaining 13,000 centrifuges will be used as spare, as needed.
  • Arak facility will be modified so as to produce a minimal amount of plutonium but will remain a heavy-water reactor.

That's the deal. Basically, remove sanctions in return for no nukes. The exact deal we want to make with NK btw.

So if you dislike Iran, you should support this. Experts say that this deal benefits the US way more than Iran. Iranian people were rioting and protesting on the streets when the Iranian deal was made. The deal makes Iran not build nukes for 10 years. Trump complained that it only lasted 10 years, so he canceled the deal. But news flash: 10>0. Because he cancelled the deal, if the deal falls through, Iran can build nukes NOW.
OK and why doesn't DJT like it? What is his logic? Is he stating that Iran is not holding up its end of the bargain?
it's an Obama policy. That simple. well and he wants to push the price of oil up.
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Posted by strikeout26 on 5/8/2018 11:33:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/8/2018 4:21:00 PM (view original):
1. Equalize education spending per student.
2. Require body cameras for police.
3. Change the justice system so that police are accountable (Right now people in criminal justice work with police so they are prosecuting their own co-workers. Also don't let police who commit crimes re sign with other police stations.
4. Stop the war on drugs. Don't over perscribe Opioids.
5. Take away voter ID laws.
6. Invest in prison rehabilitation.
7. Better and more public defenders.
8. Strip out individual cases of redlining.
9. Invest in local poverty solutions.
Sorry, Tang. I've been busy making money so that you can redistribute it.

Lets start with this. I have been telling you for a long time that every suggestion you have requires government intervention. You just proved my point. You just gave me 9 solutions that involve government intervention. So, what you're telling me is that you believe the government can solve all of our problems. Also, most of your solutions require more spending by the government. The government doesn't produce anything and is already $21 Trillion in debt. Where does this money come from? I know. Lets tax the top 1%. I guess 40% of their income already going to the federal government is not enough. Lets make it 60%. Just because they either worked hard or were extremely innovative, they still don't deserve to keep what they've earned. It's better to give it to perfectly healthy people without jobs.

Now, lets talk about your list:

1. I've worked in an inner city school. Funding is not an issue. The problem is that the kids don't care about education. Why do they not care? Because it is not stressed at home. If you would like to hear some of comments that I heard, let me know and I will be glad to share. Kids who take education serious in poor schools are chastised by their peers. If you really want these schools to thrive, you have to be quicker to dismiss the children with behavioral issues. The biggest problem is that teachers are not able to teach because they can't get control of their classrooms. Money can't fix that.

2. I'm okay with this. I think the majority of cops are honest, decent people who work very stressful and dangerous jobs, but I don't see any harm in this.

3. See #2.

4. Don't have any knowledge on this.

5. Stupid idea. We need an assurance that the person who is voting is who he says he is. Now, if you wanted to add pictures to voter registration cards, i'm okay with that.

6. Invest what? If you mean money, how will it help? Where will the money come from?

7. Public defenders are the lowest paid of all lawyers. Why would the better ones want to take this job?

8. Banks are in the business of making money. If they deem you a default risk, they will not lend to you. Banks do not care which race you are. If you have good credit and a stable income they will loan to you.

9. Invest what? If you mean money, prove to me that these programs work. Also, where is this money going to come from?
5. Here's the issue with voter ID. They only 'stop' around a few dozen cases of fraud. The risk/reward here is simple. Voter ID can cost up to $25 in some places. I guarantee you that the number of people who cannot afford that is greater than a dozen, while not super high. Some people also live in remote parts of the country, which could also prevent getting a voter ID. Again, these are small things, but they do add up to more than a dozen legitimate cases. More than the benefits. https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet?redirect=oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

6. I am not super knowledgeable about this, but I know that rehabilitation works. More rehabilitation programs and regulations on how prisons treat prisoners would be good. Money simply creates the programs. Not super exited about straight privatization, if we were to do that, there would have to be tons of regulations on it. #1 priority of prisons should be to release more stable and good people into society.

7. Simple. Make it pay more. Hire more. Don't pressure people to settle or admit to crimes they didn't do.

8.

Philadelphia was one of the largest cities in America where African Americans were disproportionately turned away when they tried to buy a home. African Americans and non-Hispanic whites make up a similar share of the population there, but the data showed whites received 10 times as many conventional mortgage loans in 2015 and 2016.

Banks also focused on serving the white parts of town, placing nearly three-quarters of all branches in white-majority neighborhoods, compared with 10 percent for black neighborhoods. Reveal's analysis also showed that the greater the number of African Americans or Latinos in a neighborhood there, the more likely a loan application there would be denied - even after accounting for income and other factors.

When Faroul applied for a loan in April 2016, she thought she was an ideal candidate. She holds a degree from Northwestern University, had a good credit score and estimates she was making $60,000 a year while teaching computer programming as a contractor for Rutgers University. Still, her initial loan application was denied by Philadelphia Mortgage Advisors, an independent broker that made nearly 90 percent of its loans to whites in 2015 and 2016.

"I'm sorry," broker Angela Tobin wrote to Faroul in an email. Faroul's contract income wasn't consistent enough, she said. So Faroul got a full-time job at the University of Pennsylvania managing a million-dollar grant.

But that still wasn't enough. When she tried again a year later, this time at Santander Bank, a Spanish firm with U.S. headquarters in Boston, the process dragged on for months. Eventually, an unpaid $284 electric bill appeared on Faroul's credit report. She paid the bill right away, but it still tanked her credit score, and the bank said it couldn't move forward.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-modern-day-redlining-20180215-story.html

There are plenty more examples of this.

9. Invest money and resources. Like try to promote these to people. My dad works at one. Every couple of months, they take in a new 'class' of the impoverished, and about 3/4 of the people who go there end up better off financially in the long run. Give federal funding, and let the local groups take it from there. Win/win. Very good investment.

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