Talkin Tehran Topic

Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:01:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 2:42:00 PM (view original):
From Ben Shapiro:

Team Obama lives in a world of fiction.

As President Trump announced to the world that he would finally put a stake through the heart of the Iran deal — the signal foreign policy "achievement" of the Obama administration — Obama's former staffers lamented, rending their sackcloth and smearing their ashes. "I will never forget the dark cloud that hung over the White House in the years Iran was advancing nuclear program & Obama was briefed on all the risks of using military force," former United Nations Ambassador Samantha Power tweeted. "Trump has demolished America's credibility & paved the way for Iran to re-start its nuclear program. Trump has done the unthinkable: isolated the US & rallied the world around Iran."


Then there was amateur-fiction-writer-turned-professional-fiction-writer Ben Rhodes, a former Obama national security aide, who tweeted, "One tragicomic element of Trump's presidency is that the more he tries to tear down Obama's legacy, the bigger he makes Obama look." Meanwhile, former Secretary of State John Kerry, who had been traveling the world in an attempt to conduct his own personal foreign policy on behalf of the mullahs, stated, "Today's announcement weakens our security, breaks America's word, isolates us from our European allies, puts Israel at greater risk, empowers Iran's hardliners, and reduces our global leverage to address Tehran's misbehavior."


Obama himself stated, "Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America's closest allies."


In hearing all of these honeyed voices speak, one might think that Iran has been acting responsibly for the last three years, that it hasn't been pursuing a campaign of horrific terrorism in Yemen and Syria, that it hasn't been sponsoring the takeover of Lebanon by the terrorist group Hezbollah, that it hasn't been funding the Palestinian terror group Hamas, that it hasn't been developing long-range ballistic missiles while leading chants saying "Death to America." One might think that Obama left the Middle East a bright a beautiful place, not a hellhole filled with human carnage bought with dollars spent by Iran but funneled through the United States.

None of that is true, of course. Obama left the Middle East a smoking wreckage heap — a situation so grim that even Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan have been forced to ally with Israel to allay fears of an Iranian regional takeover. Obama and his staff lied repeatedly to the American people about the Iran deal — and they continue to lie. When Kerry says that the deal will "empower Iran's hardliners," he is repeating an outright fabrication: The hardliners are in charge of the government, and the deal strengthened them. When Power speaks as though Obama alleviated the possibility of Iran's nuclear program, she's lying, too: The deal explicitly paved the way for an Iranian nuclear program free and clear of consequences from the international order. When Obama speaks as though our Middle East allies were pleased by the deal, he's lying: They all opposed it, and they're all celebrating its end.


Barack Obama had a peculiar vision of the Middle East remade: Iran ascendant, the power of Israel checked, the Saudis chastened. He achieved that vision at the cost of tens of thousands of lives across the region. President Trump is undoing that legacy. Good riddance.

  • The Iran-funded terrorism has nothing to do with the Iran deal.
  • The middle east was already bad. Obama did not make it worse.
  • Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Jordan were already against Iran.
  • No, the hardliners protested against the deal.
  • No, pulling out of the deal does that. The deal did the exact opposite,
  • Israel only opposed it because they profit from sanctioning Iran.
  • Obama did not have that vision,
I know you want to listen to Shapiro over me, but he is incorrect on this. Blind support for the president. Complete misunderstanding of the middle east outside of the tinted Israeli perspective. Good riddance indeed.
Obama definitely didn't make it better. it was a ****** hand to be dealt for sure but you can't say it was better when he left office.

with that said, I don' know how anyone can look at the Iran deal rationally and think bailing on it is a good idea.
5/9/2018 3:24 PM
Right. Obama certainly didn't make it better. But he didn't ruin the middle east or anything as Shapiro hints here.
5/9/2018 3:28 PM
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Oh, give me a break. Ben is a ******* Trumpist.

It isn't healthy to only listen to one person. Ben has an agenda. He wants an uberpowerful Israel. He wants to have Trump re-elected. Most of the stuff he said was predictable and uneducated.
Really? You are a jerk.

He was a never Trumper and still criticizes him frequently. I also want a strong Israel. I listen to more than just him. You calling him uneducated is funny. He graduated from UCLA at 20 and then Harvard Law. I am sorry but I will listen to him over you.






SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro


https://www.quora.com/Does-Ben-Shapiro-support-Trump


5/9/2018 3:39 PM (edited)
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:28:00 PM (view original):
Right. Obama certainly didn't make it better. But he didn't ruin the middle east or anything as Shapiro hints here.
Where did he say he ruined it?
5/9/2018 3:34 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Oh, give me a break. Ben is a ******* Trumpist.

It isn't healthy to only listen to one person. Ben has an agenda. He wants an uberpowerful Israel. He wants to have Trump re-elected. Most of the stuff he said was predictable and uneducated.
Really? You are a jerk.

He was a never Trumper and still criticizes him frequently. I also want a strong Israel. I listen to more than just him. You calling him uneducated is funny. He graduated from UCLA at 20 and then Harvard Law. I am sorry but I will listen to him over you.






SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro


https://www.quora.com/Does-Ben-Shapiro-support-Trump


So why do YOU disagree with Shapiro on Trump? It seems that, if he is to be believed, which I don't, he hates the guy. You voted for him. What is up with that?

Let me reword. I don't think he is not knowledgable of what he is saying. I think he knows full well that the agreement benefits USA. Israel first though, right!

5/9/2018 4:16 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Oh, give me a break. Ben is a ******* Trumpist.

It isn't healthy to only listen to one person. Ben has an agenda. He wants an uberpowerful Israel. He wants to have Trump re-elected. Most of the stuff he said was predictable and uneducated.
Really? You are a jerk.

He was a never Trumper and still criticizes him frequently. I also want a strong Israel. I listen to more than just him. You calling him uneducated is funny. He graduated from UCLA at 20 and then Harvard Law. I am sorry but I will listen to him over you.






SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro


https://www.quora.com/Does-Ben-Shapiro-support-Trump


you say you're not a Trumper too, yet you voted for him and defend every move he makes.
5/9/2018 4:17 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:28:00 PM (view original):
Right. Obama certainly didn't make it better. But he didn't ruin the middle east or anything as Shapiro hints here.
Where did he say he ruined it?
Read between the lines a little bit. He hints that Saudi Arabia and Iran were great friends and Israel was uber powerful until uppity Obama came into power.
5/9/2018 4:17 PM
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Oh, give me a break. Ben is a ******* Trumpist.

It isn't healthy to only listen to one person. Ben has an agenda. He wants an uberpowerful Israel. He wants to have Trump re-elected. Most of the stuff he said was predictable and uneducated.
Really? You are a jerk.

He was a never Trumper and still criticizes him frequently. I also want a strong Israel. I listen to more than just him. You calling him uneducated is funny. He graduated from UCLA at 20 and then Harvard Law. I am sorry but I will listen to him over you.






SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro


https://www.quora.com/Does-Ben-Shapiro-support-Trump


So why do YOU disagree with Shapiro on Trump? It seems that, if he is to be believed, which I don't, he hates the guy. You voted for him. What is up with that?

Let me reword. I don't think he is not knowledgable of what he is saying. I think he knows full well that the agreement benefits USA. Israel first though, right!

I don't always agree with him and I voted for DJT partly because I wanted what he created. Chaos among the Leftists. So will you acknowledge that you were wrong about Ben?

US and our allies first. Israel is our ally. Iran is not. I choose to side with Israel.
5/9/2018 4:20 PM
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 4:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:28:00 PM (view original):
Right. Obama certainly didn't make it better. But he didn't ruin the middle east or anything as Shapiro hints here.
Where did he say he ruined it?
Read between the lines a little bit. He hints that Saudi Arabia and Iran were great friends and Israel was uber powerful until uppity Obama came into power.
KSA and Iran were never friends. Sunni vs. Shiite.

I am not seeing what you are. What BHO did do was alienate our only ally that is a democracy in the ME. Israel.
5/9/2018 4:20 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 4:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Oh, give me a break. Ben is a ******* Trumpist.

It isn't healthy to only listen to one person. Ben has an agenda. He wants an uberpowerful Israel. He wants to have Trump re-elected. Most of the stuff he said was predictable and uneducated.
Really? You are a jerk.

He was a never Trumper and still criticizes him frequently. I also want a strong Israel. I listen to more than just him. You calling him uneducated is funny. He graduated from UCLA at 20 and then Harvard Law. I am sorry but I will listen to him over you.






SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro


https://www.quora.com/Does-Ben-Shapiro-support-Trump


So why do YOU disagree with Shapiro on Trump? It seems that, if he is to be believed, which I don't, he hates the guy. You voted for him. What is up with that?

Let me reword. I don't think he is not knowledgable of what he is saying. I think he knows full well that the agreement benefits USA. Israel first though, right!

I don't always agree with him and I voted for DJT partly because I wanted what he created. Chaos among the Leftists. So will you acknowledge that you were wrong about Ben?

US and our allies first. Israel is our ally. Iran is not. I choose to side with Israel.
Germany, England and France are our allies also....Trump chose to do something that alienates them. It does play into Russia's hands though.
5/9/2018 4:47 PM
They are on paper. This helps KSA and I thought KSA was the largest oil supplier in the world? No?
5/9/2018 4:50 PM
Russia is the largest supplier.
5/9/2018 5:25 PM
You may be right. I knew it was Russia or KSA. As I stated from the beginning I just don't know enough about this but I really mistrust the media and I definitely mistrust the UN on this issue. Europe is overrun with radical Islam.
5/9/2018 5:35 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 4:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:20:00 PM (view original):
Oh, give me a break. Ben is a ******* Trumpist.

It isn't healthy to only listen to one person. Ben has an agenda. He wants an uberpowerful Israel. He wants to have Trump re-elected. Most of the stuff he said was predictable and uneducated.
Really? You are a jerk.

He was a never Trumper and still criticizes him frequently. I also want a strong Israel. I listen to more than just him. You calling him uneducated is funny. He graduated from UCLA at 20 and then Harvard Law. I am sorry but I will listen to him over you.






SHAPIRO: I Will Never Vote For Donald Trump. Here's Why.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro


https://www.quora.com/Does-Ben-Shapiro-support-Trump


So why do YOU disagree with Shapiro on Trump? It seems that, if he is to be believed, which I don't, he hates the guy. You voted for him. What is up with that?

Let me reword. I don't think he is not knowledgable of what he is saying. I think he knows full well that the agreement benefits USA. Israel first though, right!

I don't always agree with him and I voted for DJT partly because I wanted what he created. Chaos among the Leftists. So will you acknowledge that you were wrong about Ben?

US and our allies first. Israel is our ally. Iran is not. I choose to side with Israel.
Why is chaos among leftists a good thing? You mean people like BL and Bracco?

Here is who benefits from the deal:
USA
France
UK
Germany
China
Many more in Europe

Here is who is hurt:
Iran
Israel

Iran ain't our ally, but THEY DO NOT BENEFIT FROM THIS DEAL. Israel does not either, but our OTHER allies in Europe, who are far less corrupt and way more stable, do benefit, as well as the USA BENEFITS. America first.
5/9/2018 7:33 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 4:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 4:17:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 5/9/2018 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 5/9/2018 3:28:00 PM (view original):
Right. Obama certainly didn't make it better. But he didn't ruin the middle east or anything as Shapiro hints here.
Where did he say he ruined it?
Read between the lines a little bit. He hints that Saudi Arabia and Iran were great friends and Israel was uber powerful until uppity Obama came into power.
KSA and Iran were never friends. Sunni vs. Shiite.

I am not seeing what you are. What BHO did do was alienate our only ally that is a democracy in the ME. Israel.
So did you read the part where Ben said that the Saudis were now 'forced' to start hating Iran as a result of Obama? Seems like you disagree with Ben here.

I would prioritize USA and Europe over ME. Especially when one of our enemies is weakened. Same thing we are doing in NK. The Iran deal is basically the exact same deal. What part of that don't you understand?

5/9/2018 7:35 PM
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