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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):
CCCP, if due process goes, what stops the government from arresting you, me, or anyone else without trial?

Strawman. I said give agents more authority at the border only. I never said eliminate due process and certainly not for people here legally. LOL. Listen to the podcast and then talk to me.

When someone is arrested by a border patrol agent, is the person in custody a suspect?

cccp?

Same as someone who shoots someone in front of a police officer.

You tell me.

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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):
CCCP, if due process goes, what stops the government from arresting you, me, or anyone else without trial?

Strawman. I said give agents more authority at the border only. I never said eliminate due process and certainly not for people here legally. LOL. Listen to the podcast and then talk to me.

When someone is arrested by a border patrol agent, is the person in custody a suspect?

cccp?

Same as someone who shoots someone in front of a police officer.

You tell me.

Yes, the shooter is a suspect.

Is the person under arrest by the border patrol a suspect?

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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
BTW, the 'defending from someone potentially shooting you' isn't an argument against illegal immigration, it's an argument against everyone. Maybe we should deport Bracco, he could potentially shoot you, CCCP! Maybe we should deport all3! He could potentially cause danger to some of us!

They are citizens and have citizens rights. People who come here illegally do not. Stepping foot on our soil illegally should not give them equal rights to people who are here legally. In my opinion.

The constitution disagrees. Sorry.

Eh? When they wrote it they didn’t foresee the border issue

Actually, unlike things like handguns and abortion, immigration is an issue that has always been around. The founders certainly contemplated it.

You were there?

Were you? You just said they didn’t foresee it.

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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
BTW, the 'defending from someone potentially shooting you' isn't an argument against illegal immigration, it's an argument against everyone. Maybe we should deport Bracco, he could potentially shoot you, CCCP! Maybe we should deport all3! He could potentially cause danger to some of us!

They are citizens and have citizens rights. People who come here illegally do not. Stepping foot on our soil illegally should not give them equal rights to people who are here legally. In my opinion.

The constitution disagrees. Sorry.

Eh? When they wrote it they didn’t foresee the border issue

Dead wrong again, Boris!

History. Where were you?

Asleep during class.

BTW. On Sporting ability.

I'm nearly to Medicare age.
I'll whoop you in whatever sport you choose.
Actual sports requiring physical strength and ability only, please!
No Chess, checkers, etc.......
How about head to head Tennis? or ??
Your choice. It would be like Bobby Riggs all over again.
A younger "stud" getting whooped on by an old man.
lol

LOL - Probably. Man I need to get back into shape. I am 5'10 and weigh 210. My fighting weight was 185. Bleh.

My feeling on this is like the 2nd amendment. When written they didn't foresee guns that could shoot 100 rounds a minute so it needs to be altered slightly. I don't want to give up due process. Your argument is that of the slippery slope and I get it. I just think what is happening at the border now is not logical or efficient. I fully get your side of the argument btw.

TY Boris. You do get my point.

I'm not one to think that tampering with the Constitution is wise.
We've done it, of course........... and not always for the better or wiser!

We're about the same size. Both slow and white I expect.......... lol.
I used to be 6' but likely I've shrunk with age and spinal fatigue due to extra weight.
I played at probably 160 or so as a (kinda) weak armed SS for many years. Both hardball and (later) pretty competitive softball.
Plus, I'm good at Chess............. lol.

Chess? I am Russian!! You want to play me in chess?!!? :)

LOL

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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
BTW, the 'defending from someone potentially shooting you' isn't an argument against illegal immigration, it's an argument against everyone. Maybe we should deport Bracco, he could potentially shoot you, CCCP! Maybe we should deport all3! He could potentially cause danger to some of us!

They are citizens and have citizens rights. People who come here illegally do not. Stepping foot on our soil illegally should not give them equal rights to people who are here legally. In my opinion.

The constitution disagrees. Sorry.

Eh? When they wrote it they didn’t foresee the border issue

Actually, unlike things like handguns and abortion, immigration is an issue that has always been around. The founders certainly contemplated it.

You were there?

Were you? You just said they didn’t foresee it.

How could they have? LOL

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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):
CCCP, if due process goes, what stops the government from arresting you, me, or anyone else without trial?

Strawman. I said give agents more authority at the border only. I never said eliminate due process and certainly not for people here legally. LOL. Listen to the podcast and then talk to me.

When someone is arrested by a border patrol agent, is the person in custody a suspect?

cccp?

Same as someone who shoots someone in front of a police officer.

You tell me.

Yes, the shooter is a suspect.

Is the person under arrest by the border patrol a suspect?

Same was as the shooter is. Suspect in name only but really guilty.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
BTW, the 'defending from someone potentially shooting you' isn't an argument against illegal immigration, it's an argument against everyone. Maybe we should deport Bracco, he could potentially shoot you, CCCP! Maybe we should deport all3! He could potentially cause danger to some of us!

They are citizens and have citizens rights. People who come here illegally do not. Stepping foot on our soil illegally should not give them equal rights to people who are here legally. In my opinion.

The constitution disagrees. Sorry.

Eh? When they wrote it they didn’t foresee the border issue

Actually, unlike things like handguns and abortion, immigration is an issue that has always been around. The founders certainly contemplated it.

You were there?

Were you? You just said they didn’t foresee it.

How could they have? LOL

Because immigration is not a new issue. It literally predates America.

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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):
CCCP, if due process goes, what stops the government from arresting you, me, or anyone else without trial?

Strawman. I said give agents more authority at the border only. I never said eliminate due process and certainly not for people here legally. LOL. Listen to the podcast and then talk to me.

When someone is arrested by a border patrol agent, is the person in custody a suspect?

cccp?

Same as someone who shoots someone in front of a police officer.

You tell me.

Yes, the shooter is a suspect.

Is the person under arrest by the border patrol a suspect?

Same was as the shooter is. Suspect in name only but really guilty.

What? No. Not "really guilty." A suspect. Jesus christ. They have not been found guilty yet.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/26/2018 11:59:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:56:00 AM (view original):
BTW, the 'defending from someone potentially shooting you' isn't an argument against illegal immigration, it's an argument against everyone. Maybe we should deport Bracco, he could potentially shoot you, CCCP! Maybe we should deport all3! He could potentially cause danger to some of us!

They are citizens and have citizens rights. People who come here illegally do not. Stepping foot on our soil illegally should not give them equal rights to people who are here legally. In my opinion.

The constitution disagrees. Sorry.

Eh? When they wrote it they didn’t foresee the border issue

Actually, unlike things like handguns and abortion, immigration is an issue that has always been around. The founders certainly contemplated it.

You were there?

Were you? You just said they didn’t foresee it.

How could they have? LOL

Because immigration is not a new issue. It literally predates America.

Of course but they did not foresee the political climate. Heck we didn't even own Texas and Cali then. Stop it.

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Posted by tangplay on 6/26/2018 11:47:00 AM (view original):
CCCP, if due process goes, what stops the government from arresting you, me, or anyone else without trial?

Strawman. I said give agents more authority at the border only. I never said eliminate due process and certainly not for people here legally. LOL. Listen to the podcast and then talk to me.

When someone is arrested by a border patrol agent, is the person in custody a suspect?

cccp?

Same as someone who shoots someone in front of a police officer.

You tell me.

Yes, the shooter is a suspect.

Is the person under arrest by the border patrol a suspect?

Same was as the shooter is. Suspect in name only but really guilty.

What? No. Not "really guilty." A suspect. Jesus christ. They have not been found guilty yet.

Are you using the letter of the law or logic?

By the letter of the law they are innocent by logic they are guilty. Even you must see that. Right? bad luck?

Not "by logic" they are guilty. They aren't guilty yet.

Can you imagine a scenario where a police officer witnesses person A shoot person B and it turns out it isn't murder?

Of course but they did not foresee the political climate. Heck we didn't even own Texas and Cali then. Stop it.

The political climate of the 1700's was brutal. They included due process for a reason.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 1:43:00 PM (view original):
Not "by logic" they are guilty. They aren't guilty yet.

Can you imagine a scenario where a police officer witnesses person A shoot person B and it turns out it isn't murder?

It is attempted murder 100%. Murder only the victim dies.

I know you lack logic but try it.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/26/2018 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Of course but they did not foresee the political climate. Heck we didn't even own Texas and Cali then. Stop it.

The political climate of the 1700's was brutal. They included due process for a reason.

Again. Were you there? No. So stick to the topic. I understand the slippery slope argument. I do get where you are coming from. I am calling for a radical response to a dangerous issue at the border.