If you don't get the difference, here's a quick summary.

A true Socialist will read Karl Marx and have an orgasm. Fair enough.

Elon Musk, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Howard Schultz, Jeff Bezos, etc., do NOT have that reaction. They are not socialists and would NEVER want Socialism implemented.

The labels themselves are somewhat irrelevant. For example, Trump is called a Republican but is really a Fascist that lacks the power to be an actual dictator.

Our government already incorporates socialist features through things like Medicare and social security. Politicians that think we should incorporate more socialist features are calling themselves DSA. They aren’t arguing for Stalin or Mao style communism.

Posted by bad_luck on 7/3/2018 8:57:00 PM (view original):
The labels themselves are somewhat irrelevant. For example, Trump is called a Republican but is really a Fascist that lacks the power to be an actual dictator.

Our government already incorporates socialist features through things like Medicare and social security. Politicians that think we should incorporate more socialist features are calling themselves DSA. They aren’t arguing for Stalin or Mao style communism.

OK. Ideological Socialism, as Marx defined it, is not what is being espoused by the power folks on the Left.

I appreciate your response because I tend to think of Socialism through the lens of Das Kapital.

Enjoy...don't forget that there are usually rocks at the bottom of a cliff...

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/3/2018 9:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/3/2018 8:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/3/2018 7:54:00 PM (view original):
This isn't your Grandpa's Democrat party...call it what is. Socialism.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/03/dnc-chair-socialist-ocasio-cortez-is-future-of-our-party/

You are damn right. It's actually capitalism by the way. Cortez and Sanders (and I) are social democrats, which is capitalism with lots of social programs to help the lower class.

Yes...it is capitalism with forced public welfare. Sorry, tang. I didn't see you post until long after I submitted my own post stating there was a difference between true Socialism and what Sanders, the Zueckerbergs of the US (and yourself) believe.

Well, welfare is part of it.

Posted by tangplay on 7/3/2018 10:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 7/3/2018 9:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/3/2018 8:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/3/2018 7:54:00 PM (view original):
This isn't your Grandpa's Democrat party...call it what is. Socialism.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/03/dnc-chair-socialist-ocasio-cortez-is-future-of-our-party/

You are damn right. It's actually capitalism by the way. Cortez and Sanders (and I) are social democrats, which is capitalism with lots of social programs to help the lower class.

Yes...it is capitalism with forced public welfare. Sorry, tang. I didn't see you post until long after I submitted my own post stating there was a difference between true Socialism and what Sanders, the Zueckerbergs of the US (and yourself) believe.

Well, welfare is part of it.

Leadership should put forth more effort making the distinction. The moniker "Socialism" will have a very hard time winning a national popular vote. There's too much negative connotations attached.

jesus says feed clothe house school and heal the poor

a government that tries to do what jesus says

some call socialist



onward christian soldiers

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/2/2018 10:46:00 PM (view original):
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/is_trump_the_most_fun_president_ever.html

i read it

"the Mueller clown show"

thats not thinking. thats opining

"ridiculous" is a ridiculous adjective to use if the author is reporting

I understand that Liberals, Progressives, Socialists want a peaceful world, everyone to enjoy a comfortable life. No one gets singled out.

But you have to have public policies that are well thought out, and that can be implemented and governed at least somewhat efficiently. They can't break the bank. California's proposed Single Payer would have tripled their annual budget.

America's population in 2060 is estimated to be 400-440 million, a 20-25 percent jump over the current 330 million. We must have an economy and the infrastructure to support it. Open borders, high unemployment, escalating national debt, overstressed federal assistance programs cannot provide adequately.

We have to get our ducks in a row.

There are not enough rich uncles to redistribute wealth to sustain a socialist society. Someone teach Bernie how to do math. Alinsky's ideas will not work here.

As most know here...........I'm no Trump fan, or even a "tolerater" of the current "leadership" (I use that term WAY loosely!) of the so-called Republican party.
I think they've lost their collective minds...................

BUT, I agree with Doc completely.

We DO need to get our ducks in a row.
And it ain't JUST Bernie that needs to learn to "do math". Seems to me that about 99% of the Country NEEDS to learn basic logical thinking......... like Math, History----and WHY IT is important, Citizenship and WHY WE matter in THIS Country, etc.

MY basic most recent understanding about my Country is......................
That it is comprised largely of ignoramusses, doofusses, neer-do-wells, etc.
Folks who CAN'T DO! ---- Much of ANYTHING!
Can't think, can't add, Can't change a flat tire, Can't discern reality from fantasy, Can't DO!

I have been convinced that MOST don't even understand why this Country was special.........So sad!
They've found their piper. A big mouth whiner, who complains that "OTHERS" are the problem.
WRONG! WE are the problem.
We've become stupid, lazy, and totally worthless.
Happy 4th.............

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/4/2018 8:46:00 AM (view original):
I understand that Liberals, Progressives, Socialists want a peaceful world, everyone to enjoy a comfortable life. No one gets singled out.

But you have to have public policies that are well thought out, and that can be implemented and governed at least somewhat efficiently. They can't break the bank. California's proposed Single Payer would have tripled their annual budget.

America's population in 2060 is estimated to be 400-440 million, a 20-25 percent jump over the current 330 million. We must have an economy and the infrastructure to support it. Open borders, high unemployment, escalating national debt, overstressed federal assistance programs cannot provide adequately.

We have to get our ducks in a row.

There are not enough rich uncles to redistribute wealth to sustain a socialist society. Someone teach Bernie how to do math. Alinsky's ideas will not work here.

Open borders?
High unemployment?
National Debt?
Redistribution of wealth?

I don't think you understand what social democracy is. It isn't socialism.