Posted by wylie715 on 7/12/2018 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

opinions can not be wrong. they are opinions. YOU may think they are wrong, but that's just an opinion.

Well, no. Opinions can be wrong. If I said, "in my opinion, James Shields should win the AL Cy Young this year," my opinion would be wrong. He's bad.

If I said, "in my opinion, coal jobs are poised for a comeback and will be the key to a revived economy in certain poor areas of the country," that opinion would be wrong.

The idea that opinions can't be wrong is why CNN is such an embarrassment of a news org.

Host: "Welcome to my prime time CNN show, today we have a panel here to discuss OJ Simpson. First up, Johnnie Cochran, Mr. Cochran, tell the audience why you think OJ was innocent of the double murder 24 years ago."

Cochran: "(bullshit)"

Panelist B: "Wait, that's bullshit."

Host: "Now, now, let Mr, Cochran finish."

Cochran: "(more bullshit)"

Panelist B: "(Actual evidence)"

Host: (Shrugs shoulders) "There you have it folks, equally valid arguments from both sides, you make the call."

Posted by bad_luck on 7/12/2018 12:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 7/12/2018 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

opinions can not be wrong. they are opinions. YOU may think they are wrong, but that's just an opinion.

Well, no. Opinions can be wrong. If I said, "in my opinion, James Shields should win the AL Cy Young this year," my opinion would be wrong. He's bad.

If I said, "in my opinion, coal jobs are poised for a comeback and will be the key to a revived economy in certain poor areas of the country," that opinion would be wrong.

No, if you really feel that Shields should win the Cy Young, that is your opinion. It won't happen, but that does not mean you can't think it will. Until he actually does not win the Cy Young award its an opinion. After he doesn't win the Cy Young award, its you being an idiot.

If you can not prove an opinion is wrong, it is not wrong. While anyone with half a brain knows Shields won't win the award you can not technically prove he won't win it until someone else does.

Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 12:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 7/12/2018 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

opinions can not be wrong. they are opinions. YOU may think they are wrong, but that's just an opinion.

Why do you get-off on trying to play Mr. Know-it-All in everybody else's exchanges? We've already had this discussion when you jumped in before. If any opinion is based on incorrect or flawed information or reasoning, then yes, the opinion can be incorrect.

I believe the sky is brown with black stripes. That's an opinion and it's wrong. Even if the sky truly looks brown with black stripes to that one person, it certainly isn't.

That's somewhat ironic..you saying I'm Mr. Know-it-All because I told you that opinions can't be wrong. Isn't it the other way around? You're the one claiming to know it all by saying someone else's opinion is wrong solely because you think it is wrong.

If you say that in your opinion the earth is flat, that is not an opinion. It has been disproven. It's just an idiotic statement. If you say that in your opinion trees talk to each other at night, that is an opinion, because there is no way you can prove or disprove that.
If you say Colin Kaepernick is disrespecting the flag and the military when he kneels during the anthem, that is an opinion. If you say he sucks as a QB, that can be proven by statistics.
By the way, you example regarding the sky being brown with black stripes is a bad one. Everyone sees colors differently. So if someone says the sky looks brown with black stripes, can you prove that is not the way it looks to him?

Posted by wylie715 on 7/12/2018 3:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/12/2018 12:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 7/12/2018 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

opinions can not be wrong. they are opinions. YOU may think they are wrong, but that's just an opinion.

Well, no. Opinions can be wrong. If I said, "in my opinion, James Shields should win the AL Cy Young this year," my opinion would be wrong. He's bad.

If I said, "in my opinion, coal jobs are poised for a comeback and will be the key to a revived economy in certain poor areas of the country," that opinion would be wrong.

No, if you really feel that Shields should win the Cy Young, that is your opinion. It won't happen, but that does not mean you can't think it will. Until he actually does not win the Cy Young award its an opinion. After he doesn't win the Cy Young award, its you being an idiot.

If you can not prove an opinion is wrong, it is not wrong. While anyone with half a brain knows Shields won't win the award you can not technically prove he won't win it until someone else does.

Reframing my Shields example, if someone said Shields should have won the 2017 Cy Young, that’s an opinion that’s wrong/stupid/bad/dumb/etc. A person holding that opinion is an idiot. Shields should not have won the 2017 Cy Young, and that’s objectively clear.

but it is still an opinion. A sad, idiotic opinion, but by that person's thinking, it is not wrong. If someone honestly believes Shields should have won the award in 2017, that is their opinion and it is not wrong. If someone says the earth is flat, its not an opinion, it is just wrong since it has been proven that the earth is not flat. Since the Cy Young award is a subjective award and does not have specific guidelines for who should win it, someone thinking James Shields should have won it in 2017 is not wrong. Why someone would think that, I have no idea. But I also have no idea why someone would think Catfish Hunter and Brad Radke are similar pitchers, so what do I know?

Posted by wylie715 on 7/12/2018 4:04:00 PM (view original):
but it is still an opinion. A sad, idiotic opinion, but by that person's thinking, it is not wrong. If someone honestly believes Shields should have won the award in 2017, that is their opinion and it is not wrong. If someone says the earth is flat, its not an opinion, it is just wrong since it has been proven that the earth is not flat. Since the Cy Young award is a subjective award and does not have specific guidelines for who should win it, someone thinking James Shields should have won it in 2017 is not wrong. Why someone would think that, I have no idea. But I also have no idea why someone would think Catfish Hunter and Brad Radke are similar pitchers, so what do I know?

It's semantics. A bad/idiotic opinion is really no different than an incorrect opinion. Am I wrong here?

Yes. Look, if I say Larry Walker should have won the batting average title in 1997 instead of Tony Gwynn, that is not an opinion, its just me being stupid. There are specific guidelines to determine who wins the batting average title and it can be proven that Gwynn won using those guidelines. if I say Walker was the best hitter in 1997, that can not be proven or disproven, and is an opinion.

Posted by wylie715 on 7/12/2018 4:17:00 PM (view original):
Yes. Look, if I say Larry Walker should have won the batting average title in 1997 instead of Tony Gwynn, that is not an opinion, its just me being stupid. There are specific guidelines to determine who wins the batting average title and it can be proven that Gwynn won using those guidelines. if I say Walker was the best hitter in 1997, that can not be proven or disproven, and is an opinion.

Wait...my opinion on opinions is wrong?

I think b_l and I finally agree 100% on something - wylie should have stayed out of our exchange.

Not sure why he constantly feels the need to jump-in to so many things and "correct" everyone (far from just me).

That is why I called him Mr. Know-it-All. Of course, that's just my opinion, and according to him opinions can't be wrong, so ...

I'm actually a big fan of this.

My opinion is that opinions CAN be wrong.

Wylie is arguing that opinions CAN'T be wrong.

Therefore, he has to say that my opinion (that opinions can be wrong) is not wrong.

a spinning top................giggling.

My opinion is y'all are nuts and in addition should accept the "fact" that Arizona is an inhabitable, inhospitable ****-hole that you'd NEVER want to have to move to. Message courtesy of the Arizona tourism board.

I go to Arizona once every two years to visit family at Christmastime. The weather is great then. I imagine it is a lot less great come summer.

It's just a horrid place..........stay away............everybody.