Parsing the meaning of opinion and distinguishing opinions from judgments from facts from truths from matters of taste is a deep philosophical well that I doubt any of us are equipped to properly dive into.

For example, if the one and only acceptable definition of opinion is a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty, and I say, "raw onions are disgusting," that isn't an opinion. I've eaten raw onions and I have grounds sufficient to be completely certain that they are disgusting. You may think the exact opposite and neither of us are wrong and neither of us are expressing an opinion.

Another example: Mike Trout is a better offensive player than Alcides Escobar. That isn't an opinion either. I have sufficient grounds to say that with certainty.

But, I'm not a car mechanic. If my car is acting up and I say, "I think it needs new spark plugs," that is an opinion. I do not have sufficient grounds to produce complete certainty that the plugs are the problem. And it's an opinion that could be wrong.

Posted by all3 on 7/13/2018 10:12:00 AM (view original):
wylie obviously posts here for no reason other than to try to be a pain in the *ss. He's really no different than Bracco - never really even trying to contribute anything other than chaos and/or annoyance. Probably time to treat him like the troll he has become.

Except Wylie is much more sane, reasonable, moderate, and has actual input into the conversations we have. Nothing like Bracco. He's not any more of a 'know it all' than any of the rest of us are.

12 more Russians indicted. All with ties to GRU/Russian government.


Trump insists Russia had nothing to do with election hacking.

I think I get all these opinions about the meaning of an opinion.............after all, we've been around this loop before here..........

Except for one.
Some claim an "opinion" can't be wrong.......... I think that claim is based on the fact that it's just an opinion thus it "can't be wrong".......

Someone who believes that way please explain to dumb old me............how were the humans who believed the Earth was flat NOT wrong?
They were obviously wrong, no? The Earth is not flat. That's fact. Thus the "opinion" held by so many humans at the time was incorrect. WRONG.

Seems to dumb old me that their shared opinions on the Earth's flatness was WRONG. A wrong opinion.

Can somebody help me?
Should be easier than getting me to support Repugnants from the "right".............

Hey!!! I take offense to that post. LOL.

Posted by strikeout26 on 7/13/2018 6:51:00 AM (view original):
It I was my opinion that y'all have too much time on your hands. When do you guys ever work?

work is a four letter word

Posted by all3 on 7/13/2018 10:12:00 AM (view original):
wylie obviously posts here for no reason other than to try to be a pain in the *ss. He's really no different than Bracco - never really even trying to contribute anything other than chaos and/or annoyance. Probably time to treat him like the troll he has become.

all3, you have said some not very nice things about me, but comparing me to Bracco is going too far! I demand an apology!!!

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 1:14:00 PM (view original):
I think I get all these opinions about the meaning of an opinion.............after all, we've been around this loop before here..........

Except for one.
Some claim an "opinion" can't be wrong.......... I think that claim is based on the fact that it's just an opinion thus it "can't be wrong".......

Someone who believes that way please explain to dumb old me............how were the humans who believed the Earth was flat NOT wrong?
They were obviously wrong, no? The Earth is not flat. That's fact. Thus the "opinion" held by so many humans at the time was incorrect. WRONG.

Seems to dumb old me that their shared opinions on the Earth's flatness was WRONG. A wrong opinion.

Can somebody help me?
Should be easier than getting me to support Repugnants from the "right".............

Until you have proof it is an opinion. Once you garner proof it’s a fact. If my opinion in 2001 was Tom Brady was the steal of the draft it’s just that. After seeing his career we can agree that the opinion became a fact.

If I argue that Tom Brady was the most handsome player drafted in 2001, it is just an opinion because that is really subjective.

Posted by wylie715 on 7/13/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/13/2018 10:12:00 AM (view original):
wylie obviously posts here for no reason other than to try to be a pain in the *ss. He's really no different than Bracco - never really even trying to contribute anything other than chaos and/or annoyance. Probably time to treat him like the troll he has become.

all3, you have said some not very nice things about me, but comparing me to Bracco is going too far! I demand an apology!!!

You and Bracco do share the same political views to be fair.

solid contribution............

Anybody paying attention to the POTUS trip this week?

Got caught lying in the final press conference with PM May this morning.
His face even turned all red and he began to stammer..........leaned way over the podium with a sheepish grin at PM May...............
Claimed he didn't say what he had said about PM May the night before (on tape!!--you can find it on the internet and listen for yourself!!) and then She (PM May) pointed out the reporter to him who was IN the audience. It would have been funny IF it was somebody else's President, not ours!

Captain Jackass at work in Europe.
An unmitigated disaster in the making...........
Better pray HARD for him you believers and apologists...........he'll need all the help he can get.

After watching the Peter Strozk debacle I am frankly embarrassed for both parties and the country as a whole. I am Equally embarrassed for the biased news networks.

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 1:14:00 PM (view original):
I think I get all these opinions about the meaning of an opinion.............after all, we've been around this loop before here..........

Except for one.
Some claim an "opinion" can't be wrong.......... I think that claim is based on the fact that it's just an opinion thus it "can't be wrong".......

Someone who believes that way please explain to dumb old me............how were the humans who believed the Earth was flat NOT wrong?
They were obviously wrong, no? The Earth is not flat. That's fact. Thus the "opinion" held by so many humans at the time was incorrect. WRONG.

Seems to dumb old me that their shared opinions on the Earth's flatness was WRONG. A wrong opinion.

Can somebody help me?
Should be easier than getting me to support Repugnants from the "right".............

Until you have proof it is an opinion. Once you garner proof it’s a fact. If my opinion in 2001 was Tom Brady was the steal of the draft it’s just that. After seeing his career we can agree that the opinion became a fact.

If I argue that Tom Brady was the most handsome player drafted in 2001, it is just an opinion because that is really subjective.

Thx for trying Boris. But that ain't helpful. Sure it's an opinion BEFORE facts come to light and disprove the opinion......... but after the "proof" is revealed (thru the facts appearance) then that opinion is /was WRONG. Thus an opinion can damn sure be wrong......... no?

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 1:25:00 PM (view original):
After watching the Peter Strozk debacle I am frankly embarrassed for both parties and the country as a whole. I am Equally embarrassed for the biased news networks.

THAT I agree with. Clearly that circus had absolutely NOTHING to do with actually finding any truth or revealing any new information.
It should NEVER have been held. Any hearing necessary should have been done behind closed doors (they did one of those with the dude) or in Court!

Some of those "so-called leaders" completely debased themselves--------on both sides of the aisle------that dude from Texas (Gomert) should be punched right in the mouth by Strozok's wife!! I bet he'd go down whining like a little girl.
Real tough guy......... when nobody can get to him!

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 1:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 1:14:00 PM (view original):
I think I get all these opinions about the meaning of an opinion.............after all, we've been around this loop before here..........

Except for one.
Some claim an "opinion" can't be wrong.......... I think that claim is based on the fact that it's just an opinion thus it "can't be wrong".......

Someone who believes that way please explain to dumb old me............how were the humans who believed the Earth was flat NOT wrong?
They were obviously wrong, no? The Earth is not flat. That's fact. Thus the "opinion" held by so many humans at the time was incorrect. WRONG.

Seems to dumb old me that their shared opinions on the Earth's flatness was WRONG. A wrong opinion.

Can somebody help me?
Should be easier than getting me to support Repugnants from the "right".............

Until you have proof it is an opinion. Once you garner proof it’s a fact. If my opinion in 2001 was Tom Brady was the steal of the draft it’s just that. After seeing his career we can agree that the opinion became a fact.

If I argue that Tom Brady was the most handsome player drafted in 2001, it is just an opinion because that is really subjective.

Thx for trying Boris. But that ain't helpful. Sure it's an opinion BEFORE facts come to light and disprove the opinion......... but after the "proof" is revealed (thru the facts appearance) then that opinion is /was WRONG. Thus an opinion can damn sure be wrong......... no?

Once an opinion converts to a fact it is no longer an opinion. Like I think we re having a boy. But if in the end we end up having a girl then I have facts and my opinion is no longer an opinion.

An opinion is something that cannot be proven or disproven by factual data at the time it is given.

Posted by laramiebob on 7/13/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/13/2018 1:25:00 PM (view original):
After watching the Peter Strozk debacle I am frankly embarrassed for both parties and the country as a whole. I am Equally embarrassed for the biased news networks.

THAT I agree with. Clearly that circus had absolutely NOTHING to do with actually finding any truth or revealing any new information.
It should NEVER have been held. Any hearing necessary should have been done behind closed doors (they did one of those with the dude) or in Court!

Some of those "so-called leaders" completely debased themselves--------on both sides of the aisle------that dude from Texas (Gomert) should be punched right in the mouth by Strozok's wife!! I bet he'd go down whining like a little girl.
Real tough guy......... when nobody can get to him!

Yep it was one giant circus of nincompoops. On both sides.

Obviously Strozk was not unbiased but It’s not as if he was the sole investigator on these cases. Wow our politicians are dumb. Bad luck should go into politics. He d fit right in.