I signed a guy to a 4-year deal as a FA four seasons ago. He's up for FA again this season and I offered him his demands. His response was:

"You left us out to dry last season! I’ve advised my client to test free agency; hopefully he’ll find a franchise that’s not afraid of long term deals."

That makes no sense in this context. I'd expect to see that if I arbed a guy 3 times, but not when he's coming off a FA contract and I offered him his demands.

I haven’t seen it before. Is it after rollover and he’s already into his free agency season? Otherwise the reference to last season makes no sense, because his third season would not have been a renegotiation window. If you’ve already rolled then it does.

We’ve already rolled but I’m in my exclusive period still. I’ve never seen a pending FA get mad because you didn’t extend him early.

If you don't extend before rollover you run this risk.

Yep, I had heard from other owners that a player's demand can change in the offseason. Guess that's what happened right there.

I share the world with jtpsops in which this happened, and I believe that you are all correct that it was a lack of extension that prompted the response...but I have a question of my own I wanted to run by you folks. Said world is now in Free Agency, and I am in discussions with a player who claims that "At this point in my career, making the playoffs is my main goal."

I know that the previous season's record is a large factor in this sort of scenario, which doesn't bode well for me since I am coming off a 59 win campaign. However, I was curious if simmy takes into account what I will call the "superteam effect"...IWO, if I hypothetically have made offers to an MVP candidate or two will that influence the FA process at all? Basically what I'm wondering is whether or not the HBD equivalents of LeBron, D-Wade and Chris Bosh can make a conscious decision to play together on a certain team even if said team is coming off a bad year. As evidenced by the NBA, these are decisions that certainly occur IRL but I am guessing it is wayyyy to difficult to code these kinds of decision making processes into the game. However, I want to confirm this before we get too far into FA so I don't spend my time chasing a pipe dream.

I would be very surprised if one FA negotiation had any tangible effect on another FA negotiation.

Just my opinion but it would be ludicrous extra work to code that. Straight cash, homey.

Few seasons ago I had a 36yo SP decline his fifth season option and go to free agency. He left my division winning team, said "making the playoffs is my main goal", joined a division cellar team for 5x15 mil. The team never had a winning season, changed owners, he got bought out in his fifth season and is finishing his career in AAA making the veteran minimum.

Posted by Vitamin_C on 7/22/2018 4:59:00 PM (view original):
If you don't extend before rollover you run this risk.

I wanted to extend him. Got the "Let's talk again in the offseason" message.

You guys are reading into the "sayings" too much. They are canned responses. The FA that can be resigned that says I'm going to FA unless you send me a great offer, is always going to FA no matter what. The FA who wants to be on a playoff team at this point in his career is going to the team who offers the most money no matter what.

Posted by Jtpsops on 7/24/2018 4:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Vitamin_C on 7/22/2018 4:59:00 PM (view original):
If you don't extend before rollover you run this risk.

I wanted to extend him. Got the "Let's talk again in the offseason" message.

Ah, okay, I see. He dangled you. Sadly, I have seen that one before and I take it as meaning he's likely to walk unless there's some chance the game is wired for him to change his mind and change it again. Unfortunately, the wordings of the two messages make the player look like a psychotic ex-girlfriend, but that's just the cosmetics of the game.

Ya, I just find it weird. Perhaps I'm reading too much into the actual statements, but they could line them up a bit better to reflect the situation more accurately.

My team just won the WS. I have no issue with this guy testing FA, but it's odd he would give me such a harsh response when I have such a good team and didn't have the option to extend him last season.

As others have said, don't read anything into the wording.

When I took over my first team, the previous owner had decided that the team's second best player (an all-star 3B) wasn't worth giving a LT deal to, and he arbed him for the third time. So I walked in, found this player I desperately wanted to keep, and I made multiple offers above his demands. The player's "agent" responded with some really coarse, insulting messages. I thought, that's a hell of a way to program a game. Never forgot the "agent"; I always notice when I'm picking up a new player "represented by him."

Posted by blahx3 on 7/24/2018 4:53:00 PM (view original):
You guys are reading into the "sayings" too much. They are canned responses. The FA that can be resigned that says I'm going to FA unless you send me a great offer, is always going to FA no matter what. The FA who wants to be on a playoff team at this point in his career is going to the team who offers the most money no matter what.

Not always true, I just re-signed a FA who rejected two initial offers while telling me he wouldn’t sign but for a “great offer.” An extra year and a few hundred K more per year was all it took. That said, this is prob the first time I’ve been able to sign one of these guys who seemed determined to go FA.

Posted by damag on 7/24/2018 4:22:00 PM (view original):
Just my opinion but it would be ludicrous extra work to code that. Straight cash, homey.

Few seasons ago I had a 36yo SP decline his fifth season option and go to free agency. He left my division winning team, said "making the playoffs is my main goal", joined a division cellar team for 5x15 mil. The team never had a winning season, changed owners, he got bought out in his fifth season and is finishing his career in AAA making the veteran minimum.

I thought that cash was king, but just wanted to double check as that was something I'd been curious about for awhile. It makes sense that would be ridiculous amounts of work to make it happen so I can't say I'm surprised.