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Posted by wylie715 on 7/26/2018 9:12:00 PM (view original):
If you disagree with me that is your right. If you think I am an idiot that is your right as well. I don't care. But to broad rush a group of people because they disagree with you is disrespectful. To broad brush a group of people because they are hateful extremists is fine...KKK, Nazis, BLM.


You mean the way you call anyone you consider a liberal or a leftist insane or wacky or whatever name you choose to call them that day?

"I won't vote blue again because the left is against Israel"
"If you think the USA should eliminate the electoral college you should move"

OK

I am speaking for ME. I am not calling you stupid for voting Blue. I am saying based on my principles. I will not. I am glad I have influence over you. And yes, Leftists are a hate group just like the alt right.

Posted by tangplay on 7/26/2018 9:49:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by sjh0825 on 7/26/2018 7:22:00 PM (view original):
Me treated unfairly? Not at all. Your words have no meaning because they are so hateful and bias. You (plural) twist every action to a crisis. The media has a new crisis for him every day and 98% of them never stick. So let's over-react to another one tomorrow. He makes mistakes but the nonsense of exaggerating is getting old to much of the country. And MOST of the country loves his economic policies. MOST of the country rates the "Russian" investigation down lower than almost every other thing that is important to them when surveyed. Yet it gets top rating by the liberal left wing of the media (most of the media) This "opposition" was in place before the election and was a well planned effort to ruin him. You do it to every Republican president and it's getting worse. It was ochestrated for Bush II after Florida. It took around 6 years, but it worked. Your party is run by the extremists now. You know it. He helps you with some of his nonsense. But he is a good businessman, and the racism is far far far over rated. He is proud that every race has record high employment. He told minorities "what have they done for you?" and he was right. Good night. What crisis will be invented tomorrow? Count on it.

Let's have a civil discussion.

MOST of the country rates the "Russian" investigation down lower than almost every other thing that is important to them when surveyed.

I'm not sure that this is true, and if it is it troubles me. See, it's very obvious to a lot of us that what the Trump wing of the GOP is trying to do is frame the Mueller investigation as corrupt and left-leaning when that is not true at all. IF Mueller finds that Trump has BROKEN THE LAW then that is a pretty big deal and (in my mind) worth impeachment. Unfortunately IF that happens, Fox News and others will just push back as another Democrat conspiracy. That's bad news for America.

liberal left wing of the media (most of the media)

This is one thing that righties like to harp on like it's a big deal. But the truth is that it isn't. There's a reason why Fox News has higher ratings than CNN right now, and it isn't based on the quality of reporting. It's because conservatives have very few programs that support their echo chamber. They go to Fox. That's why Fox is able to dominate the national discourse and CNN and MSN aren't. Honestly, IMO the right has it better in terms of media.

This "opposition" was in place before the election and was a well planned effort to ruin him.

While I agree that too many people didn't give Trump a chance before the election, it's not like there's some grand conspiracy going on. Most things that the media reports on are at least based on true facts, while I do agree that some things (such as the Stormy Daniels stuff) get overblown. But as you stated, Trump brings a lot of that on himself. Also it would be good to mention here that Fox News found so much **** to criticize Obama for during his 4 years. Presidents get criticized. It happens. Remember Benghazi? That was a nothingburger but it was treated like the biggest scandal ever. The Clinton email scandal was way overblown. The media always attacks the President.

It was ochestrated for Bush II after Florida. It took around 6 years, but it worked.

I wholly disagree with this. Bush's approval was super high after 9/11. If you are arguing that Iraq and the economy falling were somehow a product of or exaggerated by the liberal media then that is completely ridiculous.

Your party is run by the extremists now. You know it.

I disagree. Especially with all the well-deserved hate on Pelosi-Schumer from the right. Seems a bit hypocritical to hate less extreme Dems and complain about extremists but whatever.

But he is a good businessman, and the racism is far far far over rated.

He's not a good businessman IMO, but on the racism point I agree. Most people agree that Trump isn't racist. I would say that racists like Trump, and for good reason. His rhetoric benefits them. I would take Obama over Trump any day of the week on social issues.

He told minorities "what have they done for you?" and he was right.

Not buying it. If only black people voted, Democrats would win every single state. Democrats have done a lot for minorities and for the poor, and will remain the party for those groups for the foreseeable future.

Amazing. I 100% disagree with every single point tangplay made. At least he is consistent.

You 100% disagree that

• Trump and Fox News are trying to paint the Mueller investigation in a negative light
• Fox News has more viewers than CNN
• Some things Trump does gets overblown
• All presidents get criticized
• The liberal media did not cause the USA to go to war with Iraq and made the economy collapse
• Republicans dislike Pelosi/Schumer
• Trump isn't a racist
• If only black people voted Dems would win every state

OK. To each his own.

1. Investigation has a negative taint to it. With Strzok, Rosenstein, etc. Fox is reporting the facts. You see what you want to see.
2. That is because there are fewer conservative channels I would guess. Other than Fox can you name another?
3. SOME?? LOL
4. Yes. Trump seems to get it way worse.
5. Who said that? LOL.
6. Not only Republicans
7. No
8. Yes

You cherry picked.

1) Russian investigation is overblown. He is not a Russian Agent. LOL. He has done more against Russia in 2 yrs than Obama did in 8. Like arming the Ukrainians, which Obama declined to do. Killing 200 Russian mercenaries in Syria. Heavy sanctions and diplomat expulsions.

2) Most of the Media is Left. Google, Yahoo, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, CBS. Other than Fox I don't know other truly biased to the right cable channels.

3) Trump has a lot more hate against him such as his Hollywood walk of fame star smashed. LOL. That is crazy. How about the protests in GB? Imagine if people did that to Obama? Come on man.

4) Your party is not run by extremists yet but it is moving that way. See Ocasio Cortez the Socialist.

5) He is a good businessman. His brand has a high intangible value and he is a billionaire. Its semantics but if you're rich you must be doing something right. IMO. On a side note I have spoken with several people who had business dealings with him and they claim he is good. Take it for what its worth.

6) Black people and Jews vote Democrat because they feel they should. I don't know why. But he got a lot more of the black vote than many expected. Reason Dems want open borders is to get more voters.

Posted by wylie715 on 7/26/2018 9:12:00 PM (view original):
If you disagree with me that is your right. If you think I am an idiot that is your right as well. I don't care. But to broad rush a group of people because they disagree with you is disrespectful. To broad brush a group of people because they are hateful extremists is fine...KKK, Nazis, BLM.


You mean the way you call anyone you consider a liberal or a leftist insane or wacky or whatever name you choose to call them that day?

Leftist and Liberals are not the same. Leftists are a hate group like the alt right. Liberals are not. Hell I am closer to a liberal than a conservative on many issues.

Posted by tangplay on 7/26/2018 9:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjh0825 on 7/26/2018 9:03:00 PM (view original):
You are looking through "hate Trump" glasses. The facts are not nearly as clear as you see them. He means well for all in this country. He knows a great economy helps many of all races. He is doing many great things. But that doesn't matter to people who made up their mind the day he walked down that stairway and announced. I guarantee if one of the rest of that group would have won, it would be this vicious. He just makes it easier for his haters with his mis-steps. Look again. Did you see the savage treatment of Romney in 12? Lies, distortions etc. He was a good man. He just had a R by his name.

I don't remember the 'savage' treatment of Romney.... I do remember the 'savage' treatment of Obama. Was Obama a good man? Yes. People dislike candidates and people dislike Presidents. If Clinton had won it would be the same way.

Vice Pres of Berkley said Romney was going to put African Americans back in chains. Nah...no savage treatment. SMH.

CCCP -

Investigation has a negative taint to it. With Strzok, Rosenstein, etc. Fox is reporting the facts.

That doesn't mean the whole investigation is corrupt and it doesn't mean that Mueller's report is invalid. And you'd be crazy to suggest that Fox News isn't biased.

That is because there are fewer conservative channels I would guess

That's my point. You agree with me.

Yes. Trump seems to get it way worse

I disagree. But again you agree with me on this point so not 100% disagreement here.

Who said that? LOL.

He argued that the liberal media conspired against Bush and caused his approval to drop. I argued that Bush's approval dropped because of Iraq and the economy, among other things, none of which were caused by the liberal media.

Not only Republicans

Yes. I said I didn't like them. Again you agree here.

You said you 100% disagreed with me. Obviously you don't.

1) Russian investigation is overblown. He is not a Russian Agent. LOL. He has done more against Russia in 2 yrs than Obama did in 8. Like arming the Ukrainians, which Obama declined to do. Killing 200 Russian mercenaries in Syria. Heavy sanctions and diplomat expulsions.

No it is not. The investigation is over collusion (which Trump has openly admitted) not him being a Russian agent. What he has or hasn't done to Russia is irrelevant. Obama should have been tougher on Russia, yes, but toughness on Russia is irrelevant if Trump broke the law.

2) Most of the Media is Left. Google, Yahoo, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, CBS. Other than Fox I don't know other truly biased to the right cable channels.

You missed my point. Yes, a majority of the media is left leaning but that is good for conservatives because most go to Fox as you stated and that allows them to control the national discourse.

3) Trump has a lot more hate against him such as his Hollywood walk of fame star smashed. LOL. That is crazy. How about the protests in GB? Imagine if people did that to Obama? Come on man.

Yeah, and Obama was criticized for inviting a rapper to the White House and putting expensive mustard on his hot dog. Come on. Trump was protested in GB because he is unpopular around the world. And remember, GB has a sizable conservative base. See Brexit. But most foreigners don't exactly love Mr. Trump. BTW, this is another thing conservatives like to complain about that helps Trump. It's the bed of needles problem. They talk about so many scandals that the public never focuses on one. With Hillary it was emails and foundation. If Trump did that (and his foundation is worse) it wouldn't matter.

4) Your party is not run by extremists yet but it is moving that way. See Ocasio Cortez the Socialist.

It might be? Who knows. I wasn't arguing about the future, I was arguing about the present. Pelosi/Schumer remain.

5) He is a good businessman. His brand has a high intangible value and he is a billionaire. Its semantics but if you're rich you must be doing something right. IMO. On a side note I have spoken with several people who had business dealings with him and they claim he is good. Take it for what its worth.

That was a side point, but I will bite. He inherited a lot of his wealth, and he doesn't pay taxes. He has had a ton of failed business ventures, and has killed many others, such as the USFL. Additionally, he scammed a lot of people with his University, which more people should talk about.

6) Black people and Jews vote Democrat because they feel they should. I don't know why. But he got a lot more of the black vote than many expected. Reason Dems want open borders is to get more voters.

OK? My argument is that minorities still vote Democrat and they will continue to unless something changes.


I think you need to learn a little more English. You argued against points that I didn't make and you completely misunderstood the meaning of 'I 100% disagree with everything you said' and subsequent response where you agree with things I said.

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/26/2018 10:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/26/2018 9:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sjh0825 on 7/26/2018 9:03:00 PM (view original):
You are looking through "hate Trump" glasses. The facts are not nearly as clear as you see them. He means well for all in this country. He knows a great economy helps many of all races. He is doing many great things. But that doesn't matter to people who made up their mind the day he walked down that stairway and announced. I guarantee if one of the rest of that group would have won, it would be this vicious. He just makes it easier for his haters with his mis-steps. Look again. Did you see the savage treatment of Romney in 12? Lies, distortions etc. He was a good man. He just had a R by his name.

I don't remember the 'savage' treatment of Romney.... I do remember the 'savage' treatment of Obama. Was Obama a good man? Yes. People dislike candidates and people dislike Presidents. If Clinton had won it would be the same way.

Vice Pres of Berkley said Romney was going to put African Americans back in chains. Nah...no savage treatment. SMH.

Yeah, the Vice President of Berkley has a huge impact on the national discourse.

Trump's in a **** ton of trouble with the new Trump Tower revelations. A **** ton.

With that, Im out. See ya all on the 6th. Be nice to one another! Lol

Have a good vaca

Tang you cherry picked and I still disagree with your points. I stated why but you ignored that piece
You went to the bad luck school of seeing what you want to see. Collusion is not a crime per Dershowitz but you a failed reporter out of Central Kansas knows more than him...

smh

Many people iinherit money and lose it. Trump tripled it. I won’t argue ethics as it’s subjective but he knows what he is doing. Many times you learn more from failures than from successes.

Posted by tangplay on 7/26/2018 11:27:00 PM (view original):
CCCP -

Investigation has a negative taint to it. With Strzok, Rosenstein, etc. Fox is reporting the facts.

That doesn't mean the whole investigation is corrupt and it doesn't mean that Mueller's report is invalid. And you'd be crazy to suggest that Fox News isn't biased.

That is because there are fewer conservative channels I would guess

That's my point. You agree with me.

Yes. Trump seems to get it way worse

I disagree. But again you agree with me on this point so not 100% disagreement here.

Who said that? LOL.

He argued that the liberal media conspired against Bush and caused his approval to drop. I argued that Bush's approval dropped because of Iraq and the economy, among other things, none of which were caused by the liberal media.

Not only Republicans

Yes. I said I didn't like them. Again you agree here.

You said you 100% disagreed with me. Obviously you don't.

1) Russian investigation is overblown. He is not a Russian Agent. LOL. He has done more against Russia in 2 yrs than Obama did in 8. Like arming the Ukrainians, which Obama declined to do. Killing 200 Russian mercenaries in Syria. Heavy sanctions and diplomat expulsions.

No it is not. The investigation is over collusion (which Trump has openly admitted) not him being a Russian agent. What he has or hasn't done to Russia is irrelevant. Obama should have been tougher on Russia, yes, but toughness on Russia is irrelevant if Trump broke the law.

2) Most of the Media is Left. Google, Yahoo, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, CBS. Other than Fox I don't know other truly biased to the right cable channels.

You missed my point. Yes, a majority of the media is left leaning but that is good for conservatives because most go to Fox as you stated and that allows them to control the national discourse.

3) Trump has a lot more hate against him such as his Hollywood walk of fame star smashed. LOL. That is crazy. How about the protests in GB? Imagine if people did that to Obama? Come on man.

Yeah, and Obama was criticized for inviting a rapper to the White House and putting expensive mustard on his hot dog. Come on. Trump was protested in GB because he is unpopular around the world. And remember, GB has a sizable conservative base. See Brexit. But most foreigners don't exactly love Mr. Trump. BTW, this is another thing conservatives like to complain about that helps Trump. It's the bed of needles problem. They talk about so many scandals that the public never focuses on one. With Hillary it was emails and foundation. If Trump did that (and his foundation is worse) it wouldn't matter.

4) Your party is not run by extremists yet but it is moving that way. See Ocasio Cortez the Socialist.

It might be? Who knows. I wasn't arguing about the future, I was arguing about the present. Pelosi/Schumer remain.

5) He is a good businessman. His brand has a high intangible value and he is a billionaire. Its semantics but if you're rich you must be doing something right. IMO. On a side note I have spoken with several people who had business dealings with him and they claim he is good. Take it for what its worth.

That was a side point, but I will bite. He inherited a lot of his wealth, and he doesn't pay taxes. He has had a ton of failed business ventures, and has killed many others, such as the USFL. Additionally, he scammed a lot of people with his University, which more people should talk about.

6) Black people and Jews vote Democrat because they feel they should. I don't know why. But he got a lot more of the black vote than many expected. Reason Dems want open borders is to get more voters.

OK? My argument is that minorities still vote Democrat and they will continue to unless something changes.


I think you need to learn a little more English. You argued against points that I didn't make and you completely misunderstood the meaning of 'I 100% disagree with everything you said' and subsequent response where you agree with things I said.

Learn more English? Rich coming from someone who didn’t know what an ad hominem was or what an alliance is.


LMAO

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Posted by sjh0825 on 7/26/2018 9:03:00 PM (view original):
You are looking through "hate Trump" glasses. The facts are not nearly as clear as you see them. He means well for all in this country. He knows a great economy helps many of all races. He is doing many great things. But that doesn't matter to people who made up their mind the day he walked down that stairway and announced. I guarantee if one of the rest of that group would have won, it would be this vicious. He just makes it easier for his haters with his mis-steps. Look again. Did you see the savage treatment of Romney in 12? Lies, distortions etc. He was a good man. He just had a R by his name.

I don't remember the 'savage' treatment of Romney.... I do remember the 'savage' treatment of Obama. Was Obama a good man? Yes. People dislike candidates and people dislike Presidents. If Clinton had won it would be the same way.

Vice Pres of Berkley said Romney was going to put African Americans back in chains. Nah...no savage treatment. SMH.

Yeah, the Vice President of Berkley has a huge impact on the national discourse.

He doesn’t have zero impact. Obama was a good man is 100% subjective. You have zero idea what sort of man he was or is. None.

Obama was a good man . . . as long as he new his mike was on.

Open Mic Moments: Obama's Unintended Candor - ABC News

https://abcnews.go.com

The open mic caught the two leaders complaining about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"I can't stand him anymore, he's a liar," Sarkozy said about Netanyahu.

"'You've had enough of him, but I have to deal with him every day!" Obama replied.



LMAO - BHO the great supporter of Israel.

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/27/2018 9:50:00 AM (view original):

The open mic caught the two leaders complaining about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"I can't stand him anymore, he's a liar," Sarkozy said about Netanyahu.

"'You've had enough of him, but I have to deal with him every day!" Obama replied.



LMAO - BHO the great supporter of Israel.

Not liking Netanyahu is not the same as not liking Israel.

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Posted by sjh0825 on 7/26/2018 7:22:00 PM (view original):
Me treated unfairly? Not at all. Your words have no meaning because they are so hateful and bias. You (plural) twist every action to a crisis. The media has a new crisis for him every day and 98% of them never stick. So let's over-react to another one tomorrow. He makes mistakes but the nonsense of exaggerating is getting old to much of the country. And MOST of the country loves his economic policies. MOST of the country rates the "Russian" investigation down lower than almost every other thing that is important to them when surveyed. Yet it gets top rating by the liberal left wing of the media (most of the media) This "opposition" was in place before the election and was a well planned effort to ruin him. You do it to every Republican president and it's getting worse. It was ochestrated for Bush II after Florida. It took around 6 years, but it worked. Your party is run by the extremists now. You know it. He helps you with some of his nonsense. But he is a good businessman, and the racism is far far far over rated. He is proud that every race has record high employment. He told minorities "what have they done for you?" and he was right. Good night. What crisis will be invented tomorrow? Count on it.

Let's have a civil discussion.

MOST of the country rates the "Russian" investigation down lower than almost every other thing that is important to them when surveyed.

I'm not sure that this is true, and if it is it troubles me. See, it's very obvious to a lot of us that what the Trump wing of the GOP is trying to do is frame the Mueller investigation as corrupt and left-leaning when that is not true at all. IF Mueller finds that Trump has BROKEN THE LAW then that is a pretty big deal and (in my mind) worth impeachment. Unfortunately IF that happens, Fox News and others will just push back as another Democrat conspiracy. That's bad news for America.

liberal left wing of the media (most of the media)

This is one thing that righties like to harp on like it's a big deal. But the truth is that it isn't. There's a reason why Fox News has higher ratings than CNN right now, and it isn't based on the quality of reporting. It's because conservatives have very few programs that support their echo chamber. They go to Fox. That's why Fox is able to dominate the national discourse and CNN and MSN aren't. Honestly, IMO the right has it better in terms of media.

This "opposition" was in place before the election and was a well planned effort to ruin him.

While I agree that too many people didn't give Trump a chance before the election, it's not like there's some grand conspiracy going on. Most things that the media reports on are at least based on true facts, while I do agree that some things (such as the Stormy Daniels stuff) get overblown. But as you stated, Trump brings a lot of that on himself. Also it would be good to mention here that Fox News found so much **** to criticize Obama for during his 4 years. Presidents get criticized. It happens. Remember Benghazi? That was a nothingburger but it was treated like the biggest scandal ever. The Clinton email scandal was way overblown. The media always attacks the President.

It was ochestrated for Bush II after Florida. It took around 6 years, but it worked.

I wholly disagree with this. Bush's approval was super high after 9/11. If you are arguing that Iraq and the economy falling were somehow a product of or exaggerated by the liberal media then that is completely ridiculous.

Your party is run by the extremists now. You know it.

I disagree. Especially with all the well-deserved hate on Pelosi-Schumer from the right. Seems a bit hypocritical to hate less extreme Dems and complain about extremists but whatever.

But he is a good businessman, and the racism is far far far over rated.

He's not a good businessman IMO, but on the racism point I agree. Most people agree that Trump isn't racist. I would say that racists like Trump, and for good reason. His rhetoric benefits them. I would take Obama over Trump any day of the week on social issues.

He told minorities "what have they done for you?" and he was right.

Not buying it. If only black people voted, Democrats would win every single state. Democrats have done a lot for minorities and for the poor, and will remain the party for those groups for the foreseeable future.

Amazing. I 100% disagree with every single point tangplay made. At least he is consistent.

You 100% disagree that

• Trump and Fox News are trying to paint the Mueller investigation in a negative light
• Fox News has more viewers than CNN
• Some things Trump does gets overblown
• All presidents get criticized
• The liberal media did not cause the USA to go to war with Iraq and made the economy collapse
• Republicans dislike Pelosi/Schumer
• Trump isn't a racist
• If only black people voted Dems would win every state

OK. To each his own.

1. Investigation has a negative taint to it. With Strzok, Rosenstein, etc. Fox is reporting the facts. You see what you want to see.
2. That is because there are fewer conservative channels I would guess. Other than Fox can you name another?
3. SOME?? LOL
4. Yes. Trump seems to get it way worse.
5. Who said that? LOL.
6. Not only Republicans
7. No
8. Yes

You cherry picked.

1) Russian investigation is overblown. He is not a Russian Agent. LOL. He has done more against Russia in 2 yrs than Obama did in 8. Like arming the Ukrainians, which Obama declined to do. Killing 200 Russian mercenaries in Syria. Heavy sanctions and diplomat expulsions.

2) Most of the Media is Left. Google, Yahoo, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, ABC, CBS. Other than Fox I don't know other truly biased to the right cable channels.

3) Trump has a lot more hate against him such as his Hollywood walk of fame star smashed. LOL. That is crazy. How about the protests in GB? Imagine if people did that to Obama? Come on man.

4) Your party is not run by extremists yet but it is moving that way. See Ocasio Cortez the Socialist.

5) He is a good businessman. His brand has a high intangible value and he is a billionaire. Its semantics but if you're rich you must be doing something right. IMO. On a side note I have spoken with several people who had business dealings with him and they claim he is good. Take it for what its worth.

6) Black people and Jews vote Democrat because they feel they should. I don't know why. But he got a lot more of the black vote than many expected. Reason Dems want open borders is to get more voters.

“Fox is reporting the facts”

Single dumbest sentence in the history of sentences.