That is the free enterprise system that you reactionary's are so in love with, except when costs more then you want to pay. THEN, you want a law to force the price down. Hypocrites.

there have always been laws and taxes in this country, therefore the concept of a free market has never existed. nice try.

Posted by all3 on 7/31/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):
On the flip side, what many athletes, actors and singers make is freakin' nuts. I know there's the whole "struggle to the top" part of those things, but the top is far too high. Plus, their ridiculous salaries are why it's so costly for others to attend sporting events, movies and concerts. I'm old enough to remember when it was affordable to go to all those things. Haven't attended a pro sporting event or concert in over 20 years and hit a movie maybe once a year. I get at least as much enjoyment by watching local kids' games and "struggling" singers, at a fraction of the price - and they appreciate it.

this is a hilarious take. the market for their services sets their value. if you don’t trust the market to set their value, then say so.

I wonder if the race of the participants has something to do with it?

Posted by bds9992 on 7/31/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/31/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):
On the flip side, what many athletes, actors and singers make is freakin' nuts. I know there's the whole "struggle to the top" part of those things, but the top is far too high. Plus, their ridiculous salaries are why it's so costly for others to attend sporting events, movies and concerts. I'm old enough to remember when it was affordable to go to all those things. Haven't attended a pro sporting event or concert in over 20 years and hit a movie maybe once a year. I get at least as much enjoyment by watching local kids' games and "struggling" singers, at a fraction of the price - and they appreciate it.

this is a hilarious take. the market for their services sets their value. if you don’t trust the market to set their value, then say so.

I am pretty sure that was my point

Posted by RCBracco on 7/31/2018 11:26:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bds9992 on 7/31/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/31/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):
On the flip side, what many athletes, actors and singers make is freakin' nuts. I know there's the whole "struggle to the top" part of those things, but the top is far too high. Plus, their ridiculous salaries are why it's so costly for others to attend sporting events, movies and concerts. I'm old enough to remember when it was affordable to go to all those things. Haven't attended a pro sporting event or concert in over 20 years and hit a movie maybe once a year. I get at least as much enjoyment by watching local kids' games and "struggling" singers, at a fraction of the price - and they appreciate it.

this is a hilarious take. the market for their services sets their value. if you don’t trust the market to set their value, then say so.

I am pretty sure that was my point

ah, OK. sorry.

Posted by RCBracco on 7/31/2018 11:17:00 AM (view original):
That is the free enterprise system that you reactionary's are so in love with, except when costs more then you want to pay. THEN, you want a law to force the price down. Hypocrites.

BS - I NEVER once reasoned for that. FAKE BRACCO NEWS.

Posted by bds9992 on 7/31/2018 11:23:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/31/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):
On the flip side, what many athletes, actors and singers make is freakin' nuts. I know there's the whole "struggle to the top" part of those things, but the top is far too high. Plus, their ridiculous salaries are why it's so costly for others to attend sporting events, movies and concerts. I'm old enough to remember when it was affordable to go to all those things. Haven't attended a pro sporting event or concert in over 20 years and hit a movie maybe once a year. I get at least as much enjoyment by watching local kids' games and "struggling" singers, at a fraction of the price - and they appreciate it.

this is a hilarious take. the market for their services sets their value. if you don’t trust the market to set their value, then say so.

The fact that as many people still go (not the ones who get the Corporate hand-outs) to such things just reinforces what those on both sides of many issues have repeatedly said in this thread - there are a lot of stupid people in today's USA.

Posted by all3 on 7/30/2018 10:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 7/30/2018 6:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/30/2018 6:45:00 PM (view original):
My police officer friends pay for some of their own stuff too. It’s just the cost of doing business unfortunately. It’s either that or having fewer teachers. They can choose to teach elsewhere or go to private schools as no one is forcing them to stay where they are. Right?

Private schools tend to pay less, at least in California.

We'll add that to the list of things CA has backwards. Nah, it will be easier to make a list of things they don't have backwards.

what is your problem with California? Just jealous because you live in some shithole? Have you ever actually been here?

Posted by strikeout26 on 7/30/2018 11:54:00 PM (view original):
If you really want to talk about a governmental profession that's underpaid, let's try police officers.

The average salary for a teacher in the US is $55,000 per year for essentially 9 months of work. The few meetings that you have to attend over the summer don't count.

The average salary for a police officer is $53,000 per year for 12 months and it is a MUCH more dangerous job.

Yes, police officers are definitely underpaid. I don't think anyone here ever said differently.
That being said, I don't know how they do it in Alabama (or was it Georgia?) but my sister is a teacher, my niece is a teacher, my mother was a teacher, my father-in-law was a teacher (his claim to fame is flunked OJ Simpson twice in high school)I have several cousins and friends who were and are teachers. They all do and did more than "attend a few meetings over the summer. They have to work on lesson plans, get supplies (which they end up paying for many of them) Get their classrooms ready for the new year...and more. Maybe the teachers I know are more conscientious than most. I don't know. Just like any profession, there are good ones and bad ones.

Posted by all3 on 7/31/2018 10:11:00 AM (view original):
On the flip side, what many athletes, actors and singers make is freakin' nuts. I know there's the whole "struggle to the top" part of those things, but the top is far too high. Plus, their ridiculous salaries are why it's so costly for others to attend sporting events, movies and concerts. I'm old enough to remember when it was affordable to go to all those things. Haven't attended a pro sporting event or concert in over 20 years and hit a movie maybe once a year. I get at least as much enjoyment by watching local kids' games and "struggling" singers, at a fraction of the price - and they appreciate it.

I don't disagree. Entertainers, whether athletes, sigers or actors make a shitload of money. More than they probably deserve. On the other hand, are they going to say "no, that's more than I deserve" when offered those salaries? No. I certainly wouldn't.

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/31/2018 11:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 7/31/2018 10:34:00 AM (view original):
I don't see that as the case at all. 20-30-40 years ago, watching athletics or "professional" singers was much, much harder to do. It's much, much simpler now, even to do in-person, because there are so many more. When something is easier to option and in a larger supply, isn't it supposed to be cheaper?

My kids when to see Taylor Swift and it cost about $200 per ticket. They didn't have to pay that fee but if they wanted to see her they did. She was sold out at Foxboro Stadium, where the Pats play. So if she can get that much per ticket and these were not close to the most expensive ones, then she can certainly charge that amount. Now if only 25% of the stadium sold then she would have to lower the price to change the venue.

I go to a lot of sporting events through work but to take a family of 4 to a Celtics game will run you at least $500 if you get decent seats. Corporations buy up a lot of the seats at least they do in MA. I generally go to 1 Pats game, 9-10 Celtics games, 2-3 Bruins games, 1-2 Red Sox games per year.

That being said you can go watch AAA, AA or A baseball relatively cheaply. Same for the cape cod league baseball. There are to your point local bands that you can watch for less too but the major acts will cost you and they charge this much because they can.

your kids wanted to see Taylor Swift? I question their judgement right there!! LOL

They are young girls...one man's music is another man's noise.

Posted by wylie715 on 7/31/2018 12:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 7/30/2018 11:54:00 PM (view original):
If you really want to talk about a governmental profession that's underpaid, let's try police officers.

The average salary for a teacher in the US is $55,000 per year for essentially 9 months of work. The few meetings that you have to attend over the summer don't count.

The average salary for a police officer is $53,000 per year for 12 months and it is a MUCH more dangerous job.

Yes, police officers are definitely underpaid. I don't think anyone here ever said differently.
That being said, I don't know how they do it in Alabama (or was it Georgia?) but my sister is a teacher, my niece is a teacher, my mother was a teacher, my father-in-law was a teacher (his claim to fame is flunked OJ Simpson twice in high school)I have several cousins and friends who were and are teachers. They all do and did more than "attend a few meetings over the summer. They have to work on lesson plans, get supplies (which they end up paying for many of them) Get their classrooms ready for the new year...and more. Maybe the teachers I know are more conscientious than most. I don't know. Just like any profession, there are good ones and bad ones.

It was GA. I'm not sure I would move to Alabama if the University of Alabama offered me the head baseball position.

Yes. There are definitely more responsibilities over a summer than just a few meetings, but it is still a very light and relaxing atmosphere. You get a month off over Christmas, about a month's worth of breaks throughout the school year and a 2 month summer. The responsibilities that you listed take 2-3 weeks out of a summer. It's definitely a 9 month out of the year job.

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Posted by RCBracco on 7/31/2018 11:17:00 AM (view original):
That is the free enterprise system that you reactionary's are so in love with, except when costs more then you want to pay. THEN, you want a law to force the price down. Hypocrites.

BS - I NEVER once reasoned for that. FAKE BRACCO NEWS.

I am sure I was responding to al but if you must always be the center of the conversation then fine. You are a hypocrite. Fell better now that you are the subject of attention?