Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Or are you saying that there is never, ever a situation where diplomacy is of use and war is 100% always the answer.

Diplomacy never works when people come from such different points of view. Add to that the religious aspect and Muslim doctrine to wipe all the Jews off the face of the planet I do not foresee diplomacy working.

I could be wrong. But it has been 70 yrs what makes you feel that things will be better now?

I tend to be more optimistic than you. Is it hard to achieve peace? Yes. Is it possible? I would like to hope so.

Hope is not a strategy.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/1/2018 2:58:00 PM (view original):
Seems like you’re the one bigoted against Muslims.

Only to you. But then again you said Ben Shapiro was a white supremacist so your opinion is irrelevant.

Sam Harris and Bill Maher called Islam the "Mother load of bad ideas".

I have told you 100x that I feel badly for the secular Muslims, whose voices are drowned out by the radicals, whom you support over Republicans. Can't make this stuff up.


This is my quote:

"I will stand shoulder to shoulder with each and every modern Muslim against their oppressors. "

And this is yours:

"All countries have major issues. Enough of the US is dumb and/or racist enough to elect Trump President. That’s a major issue.?"

Your Antifa style of hatred is noted.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

That's all true.

The question becomes...is that the end of history?

What year did the map become settled?

You made the point sharper than I could have. There was literally nothing left.

I wonder where we are on that scale of history.

One thing is certain. The lines will move. They move only when you have nothing left.

I am using history.

Posted by DougOut on 8/5/2018 7:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

That's all true.

The question becomes...is that the end of history?

What year did the map become settled?

You made the point sharper than I could have. There was literally nothing left.

I wonder where we are on that scale of history.

One thing is certain. The lines will move. They move only when you have nothing left.

I am using history.

I can't find a single thing to disagree with you on from the above. You can make a sharp point as well.

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 5:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/4/2018 10:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/4/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 8/4/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/1/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
For the record, a two state solution is probably the only way this ever works. But I don’t see her statement as anti-Semite.

What would a two state solution look like?

It would look very much like war. The US had a two state solution for about four years.

That's a pretty imperialist thing to say.

Thank you.

You are an imperialist?

I am an American, lol. I am a citizen of the same empire that you are.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 6:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Your point is? Yes imperialism is, for the most part, bad. We could get into a gigantic debate over who owns what territory based on imperialism and make tons of examples, whether correct, or in your case, incorrect. This argument is moot. Who owns Texas? Is it the USA? Is it Mexico? Is it Spain? Should it be divided among Indian tribes?

There are 4.8 million Palestinians, many of whom you characterize as radical Islamists, Are you willing to accept them into your country? You think they won't cause problems in other countries? Or should they move into other Islamist countries like Iran, making those countries more radical and more powerful and bringing the terrorist groups with them? Not saying that these are my thoughts, but it seems pretty counter-intuitive from your standpoint.

Israel won. It has been 70 years. They will not acquiesce. When this happened in Europe, Jews moved to places that accepted them. Including my parents. There are 54 Islamist countries, they should move to one of them if they are unhappy how they are treated in Israel. The Jews will not give up their only homeland. A two state solution is not going to work because they don't trust the Palestinians. They gave up Gaza and that has been a disaster.

So should the US give TX and Cali back to Mexico?

So if a two state solution doesn't work because of a lack of trust, why not try to build trust between the two parties? Did you ever think that Palestine might not trust Israel either?

should they move into other Islamist countries like Iran, making those countries more radical and more powerful and bringing the terrorist groups with them?

^^^You are OK with this???

I don't think the USA should give TX and Cali back. Do you?

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 6:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Or are you saying that there is never, ever a situation where diplomacy is of use and war is 100% always the answer.

Diplomacy never works when people come from such different points of view. Add to that the religious aspect and Muslim doctrine to wipe all the Jews off the face of the planet I do not foresee diplomacy working.

I could be wrong. But it has been 70 yrs what makes you feel that things will be better now?

I tend to be more optimistic than you. Is it hard to achieve peace? Yes. Is it possible? I would like to hope so.

Hope is not a strategy.

I don't have all the information. Why do I need a strategy?

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 6:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Was Mohammed a warlord or not? Because you contradicted yourself within two sentences.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 8:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 5:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/4/2018 10:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/4/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 8/4/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/1/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
For the record, a two state solution is probably the only way this ever works. But I don’t see her statement as anti-Semite.

What would a two state solution look like?

It would look very much like war. The US had a two state solution for about four years.

That's a pretty imperialist thing to say.

Thank you.

You are an imperialist?

I am an American, lol. I am a citizen of the same empire that you are.

Point well taken, lol.

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 6:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Or are you saying that there is never, ever a situation where diplomacy is of use and war is 100% always the answer.

Diplomacy never works when people come from such different points of view. Add to that the religious aspect and Muslim doctrine to wipe all the Jews off the face of the planet I do not foresee diplomacy working.

I could be wrong. But it has been 70 yrs what makes you feel that things will be better now?

I tend to be more optimistic than you. Is it hard to achieve peace? Yes. Is it possible? I would like to hope so.

Hope is not a strategy.

I don't have all the information. Why do I need a strategy?

You don't need one. That would suck if opinions had to turn into fully thought-out strategies. (gomiami1972 alt ID)

What I meant by that was that I don't have all the information on the issue, nor do I know Netenyahu or any other people in power personally. I only have a set of ideals that I preach and hope to see fulfilled.

The difference between me and Comrade is that I don't pretend to have all the answers on this, and he does. That's why I asked him for a strategy on how to wipe out radical Islam. We agree that radical Islam is bad(ideal) but he has an actual plan(End radical Islam) and I do not.

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:46:00 PM (view original):
What I meant by that was that I don't have all the information on the issue, nor do I know Netenyahu or any other people in power personally. I only have a set of ideals that I preach and hope to see fulfilled.

The difference between me and Comrade is that I don't pretend to have all the answers on this, and he does. That's why I asked him for a strategy on how to wipe out radical Islam. We agree that radical Islam is bad(ideal) but he has an actual plan(End radical Islam) and I do not.

Oh, OK. I try to keep up but I sometimes lose focus on every debate facet. There are so many...now back to making a few changes to my FC Dynasty team so that I can log off of this ID.

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:46:00 PM (view original):
What I meant by that was that I don't have all the information on the issue, nor do I know Netenyahu or any other people in power personally. I only have a set of ideals that I preach and hope to see fulfilled.

The difference between me and Comrade is that I don't pretend to have all the answers on this, and he does. That's why I asked him for a strategy on how to wipe out radical Islam. We agree that radical Islam is bad(ideal) but he has an actual plan(End radical Islam) and I do not.

...and I think a lot of us are the way you are. I have a set of ideals that I wish to see fulfilled but I am far from omniscient.

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 6:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Was Mohammed a warlord or not? Because you contradicted yourself within two sentences.

Yes he was. I did not. Learn history.