Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:46:00 PM (view original):
What I meant by that was that I don't have all the information on the issue, nor do I know Netenyahu or any other people in power personally. I only have a set of ideals that I preach and hope to see fulfilled.

The difference between me and Comrade is that I don't pretend to have all the answers on this, and he does. That's why I asked him for a strategy on how to wipe out radical Islam. We agree that radical Islam is bad(ideal) but he has an actual plan(End radical Islam) and I do not.

It has been 70+ yrs. Things have not improved. Jews will not give up their only homeland. I dont Care what you think because you are young, idealistic and honestly dim.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:41:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Was Mohammed a warlord or not? Because you contradicted yourself within two sentences.

Yes he was. I did not. Learn history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 10:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:46:00 PM (view original):
What I meant by that was that I don't have all the information on the issue, nor do I know Netenyahu or any other people in power personally. I only have a set of ideals that I preach and hope to see fulfilled.

The difference between me and Comrade is that I don't pretend to have all the answers on this, and he does. That's why I asked him for a strategy on how to wipe out radical Islam. We agree that radical Islam is bad(ideal) but he has an actual plan(End radical Islam) and I do not.

It has been 70+ yrs. Things have not improved. Jews will not give up their only homeland. I dont Care what you think because you are young, idealistic and honestly dim.

Who is saying that Jews have to give up anything?

You still refuse to acknowledge the point about making other Islamist countries stronger, more radical, and more influenced by terror groups. I mean, Iran is already funding Hamas and Hezbollah, right? Imagine if Hamas and Hezbollah were in Iran?

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Your point is? Yes imperialism is, for the most part, bad. We could get into a gigantic debate over who owns what territory based on imperialism and make tons of examples, whether correct, or in your case, incorrect. This argument is moot. Who owns Texas? Is it the USA? Is it Mexico? Is it Spain? Should it be divided among Indian tribes?

There are 4.8 million Palestinians, many of whom you characterize as radical Islamists, Are you willing to accept them into your country? You think they won't cause problems in other countries? Or should they move into other Islamist countries like Iran, making those countries more radical and more powerful and bringing the terrorist groups with them? Not saying that these are my thoughts, but it seems pretty counter-intuitive from your standpoint.

Yeah, i'm not giving land to a people whose religious doctrine calls for my death.

Who is saying that Israel has to give land to anyone? Pretty sure Israel doesn't own all of Palestine. That's why there is currently a Palestine.

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 11:17:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Was Mohammed a warlord or not? Because you contradicted yourself within two sentences.

Yes he was. I did not. Learn history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord.

??? I said Mo was one and Jesus was not? LOL.

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 1:14:00 AM (view original):
Who is saying that Israel has to give land to anyone? Pretty sure Israel doesn't own all of Palestine. That's why there is currently a Palestine.

The land is disputed but Israel is slowly taking it. Well in the West Bank. Actually its the US that holds it back from taking all of it and wiping out Hamas as that would create a holy war of sorts. So instead Israel just makes it miserable for those in the West Bank and Gaza who choose to rebel.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 1:14:00 AM (view original):
Who is saying that Israel has to give land to anyone? Pretty sure Israel doesn't own all of Palestine. That's why there is currently a Palestine.

The land is disputed but Israel is slowly taking it. Well in the West Bank. Actually its the US that holds it back from taking all of it and wiping out Hamas as that would create a holy war of sorts. So instead Israel just makes it miserable for those in the West Bank and Gaza who choose to rebel.

This is an excellent summary. I think you are spot on, cccp.

Thank you for the kind words.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 9:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 11:17:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Was Mohammed a warlord or not? Because you contradicted yourself within two sentences.

Yes he was. I did not. Learn history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord.

??? I said Mo was one and Jesus was not? LOL.

OOOOH. OK so in the English language, and in the way you phrased it, Jesus is used in a way that doesn't always refer to Jesus of the Bible but more as an exclamation. So I read it as you saying Jesus(exasperated exclamation) and he referring to Mohammed.

For instance, I could say Jesus, saying that Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist really makes me think that he(BL) is an idiot. In that sentence I am not calling Jesus an idiot but with the context that we were talking about BL I would be calling BL an idiot.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 1:14:00 AM (view original):
Who is saying that Israel has to give land to anyone? Pretty sure Israel doesn't own all of Palestine. That's why there is currently a Palestine.

The land is disputed but Israel is slowly taking it. Well in the West Bank. Actually its the US that holds it back from taking all of it and wiping out Hamas as that would create a holy war of sorts. So instead Israel just makes it miserable for those in the West Bank and Gaza who choose to rebel.

I agree with your summary. Now, what about that says that Israel has to give up land by NOT taking land from Palestine?

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 9:34:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 6:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Was Mohammed a warlord or not? Because you contradicted yourself within two sentences.

Yes he was. I did not. Learn history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord.

??? I said Mo was one and Jesus was not? LOL.

OOOOH. OK so in the English language, and in the way you phrased it, Jesus is used in a way that doesn't always refer to Jesus of the Bible but more as an exclamation. So I read it as you saying Jesus(exasperated exclamation) and he referring to Mohammed.

For instance, I could say Jesus, saying that Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist really makes me think that he(BL) is an idiot. In that sentence I am not calling Jesus an idiot but with the context that we were talking about BL I would be calling BL an idiot.

When have you ever seen me use Jesus like that?

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 12:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 1:14:00 AM (view original):
Who is saying that Israel has to give land to anyone? Pretty sure Israel doesn't own all of Palestine. That's why there is currently a Palestine.

The land is disputed but Israel is slowly taking it. Well in the West Bank. Actually its the US that holds it back from taking all of it and wiping out Hamas as that would create a holy war of sorts. So instead Israel just makes it miserable for those in the West Bank and Gaza who choose to rebel.

I agree with your summary. Now, what about that says that Israel has to give up land by NOT taking land from Palestine?

In a 2 state solution they would have to give up land.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 12:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 12:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 9:34:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 11:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 10:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 9:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 6:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 6:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.

Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord. Islam took territory by force. They tried to expel the Jews as well 2x. Failed. They had two intifadas. Failed. I don't see a peaceful solution. A one state is impossible as the Jews would lose their majority Jewish country.

Two state is impossible when Hamas and Fatah cannot even agree on what it should be. Imagine if you had two lawyers and I tried to negotiate a deal with you and each lawyer wanted something different.

I don't see a solution other than unhappy Palestinians leaving. People have done that throughout history. Europe, Asia, Africa, etc. Or they can try to take it back by force. Status quo is not working and as I said Israel will not acquiesce.

Was Mohammed a warlord or not? Because you contradicted yourself within two sentences.

Yes he was. I did not. Learn history.

Mohammed the prophet of Islam was a warlord. This is undisputed. Jesus, we can debate who he was but he was 100% definitely not a warlord.

??? I said Mo was one and Jesus was not? LOL.

OOOOH. OK so in the English language, and in the way you phrased it, Jesus is used in a way that doesn't always refer to Jesus of the Bible but more as an exclamation. So I read it as you saying Jesus(exasperated exclamation) and he referring to Mohammed.

For instance, I could say Jesus, saying that Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist really makes me think that he(BL) is an idiot. In that sentence I am not calling Jesus an idiot but with the context that we were talking about BL I would be calling BL an idiot.

When have you ever seen me use Jesus like that?

It's a common phrase. My mistake. Move on.

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Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 12:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/6/2018 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/6/2018 1:14:00 AM (view original):
Who is saying that Israel has to give land to anyone? Pretty sure Israel doesn't own all of Palestine. That's why there is currently a Palestine.

The land is disputed but Israel is slowly taking it. Well in the West Bank. Actually its the US that holds it back from taking all of it and wiping out Hamas as that would create a holy war of sorts. So instead Israel just makes it miserable for those in the West Bank and Gaza who choose to rebel.

I agree with your summary. Now, what about that says that Israel has to give up land by NOT taking land from Palestine?

In a 2 state solution they would have to give up land.

What land would they give up?