So I got a couple guys on the big board and I'm trying to pick up a few extra BINGO boards by withholding rating improvements. I have removed ALL practice points for these two guys but their ratings keep increasing. WTF?!

Is it because of the high WE? Because they're playing a lot?

Lusher

I noticed a player of mine this past year had gained a point with out any practice mins. He was around a 72 we. I'm sure he was right at the threshold for changing though. Hadn't seen it happen before that.

Yup that’s a defect.

High work ethic players will improve some categories with just playing time. It’s not a defect, it’s how it’s always worked.

Posted by zagsrulez on 7/15/2018 10:06:00 PM (view original):
Yup that’s a defect.

It seems like it at first... but maybe not. That's why I was asking if anyone has seen something like this or if they had any knowledge of this happening. Is it random or driven by the high WE?

LOL

It happens

I'm starting to think this is a bug but I'll continue to monitor. I have another player who I removed all practice points from and his ratings continue to increase - just like Lusher. Joseph Jefcoat

Maybe it's something like I already put points in and then removed after a few games so it's still counting as if points are there? Either way, this is pretty weird.

And here are Lusher's final ratings

Gained a total of 24 points not including WE. Seems like quite a bit for no practice points for 90% of the season.

Rating increases (or decreases) are a driven by:

WE
practice minutes
rating score
how much growth is left in the rating
and maybe minutes played

zero minutes in practice doesn’t mean zero growth, it’s additive not multiplicative .

"it’s additive not multiplicative ."

That's a good way to put it.

But something else has to be missing here. Look at this guy Lewis

He gained zero points in LP despite

-Between 53-63 WE (depending on point in time during season)
-zero practice min
-Rating score mid range of 67
-being Green which indicates that there is a lot of growth left.
-playing 31mpg and 31 starts

Compared to Jefcoat gaining 2-3 points in speed, defense, BH and ST.

- between 71-73 WE. So decently higher than Lewis but not THAT much higher
-zero practice min
-rating scores of high 80s so towards the higher end of the rating spectrum so it should be less.
-black ratings indictating less than 20 points remaining
- 17mpg and zero starts.

So 10-15 WE points negates everything else you've said impacts rating increases/decreases. Seems off to me.

And add a full season of practices for Lewis vs half season for jefcoat

Posted by Trentonjoe on 8/6/2018 5:01:00 PM (view original):
Rating increases (or decreases) are a driven by:

WE
practice minutes
rating score
how much growth is left in the rating
and maybe minutes played

zero minutes in practice doesn’t mean zero growth, it’s additive not multiplicative .

Minutes played is definitely part of it. High WE players who are getting legit starter minutes don’t need practice time to maintain ratings, or even grow in categories, especially LP and per.

Low WE players who are sitting on the bench need 6-7 minutes (sometimes more) to maintain ratings.

People may not have noticed this much in the past, but more are starting to bump up against it, because they are trying to keep LP and per below certain thresholds for potential early entries, to keep NBA interest contained.

ETA Lewis started the season at 53 WE. That isnt really same category as a guy who starts at 71. If he comes back for his senior season, he would probably start gains in LP with no practice once his WE gets into the mid to upper 60s (but of course, if he comes back, he’s not going to be zeroed out in LP).

Posted by Benis on 8/6/2018 5:17:00 PM (view original):
"it’s additive not multiplicative ."

That's a good way to put it.

But something else has to be missing here. Look at this guy Lewis

He gained zero points in LP despite

-Between 53-63 WE (depending on point in time during season)
-zero practice min
-Rating score mid range of 67
-being Green which indicates that there is a lot of growth left.
-playing 31mpg and 31 starts

Compared to Jefcoat gaining 2-3 points in speed, defense, BH and ST.

- between 71-73 WE. So decently higher than Lewis but not THAT much higher
-zero practice min
-rating scores of high 80s so towards the higher end of the rating spectrum so it should be less.
-black ratings indictating less than 20 points remaining
- 17mpg and zero starts.

So 10-15 WE points negates everything else you've said impacts rating increases/decreases. Seems off to me.

LP and PER are just different.....in the old days there was just one stat (I think it was scoring) and when they split it the time needed to improve was halved.

Also. WE works along a bell curve type thing 73 might just enough more than 63. It isn't linear,

Posted by Trentonjoe on 8/6/2018 9:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 8/6/2018 5:17:00 PM (view original):
"it’s additive not multiplicative ."

That's a good way to put it.

But something else has to be missing here. Look at this guy Lewis

He gained zero points in LP despite

-Between 53-63 WE (depending on point in time during season)
-zero practice min
-Rating score mid range of 67
-being Green which indicates that there is a lot of growth left.
-playing 31mpg and 31 starts

Compared to Jefcoat gaining 2-3 points in speed, defense, BH and ST.

- between 71-73 WE. So decently higher than Lewis but not THAT much higher
-zero practice min
-rating scores of high 80s so towards the higher end of the rating spectrum so it should be less.
-black ratings indictating less than 20 points remaining
- 17mpg and zero starts.

So 10-15 WE points negates everything else you've said impacts rating increases/decreases. Seems off to me.

LP and PER are just different.....in the old days there was just one stat (I think it was scoring) and when they split it the time needed to improve was halved.

Also. WE works along a bell curve type thing 73 might just enough more than 63. It isn't linear,

But if the time needed to increase LP is half of other ratings that proves my point even more. LP didn't even improve at all for Lewis even tho it should be twice as easy to do so vs SPD, BH, St of Jefcoat.