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Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2018 12:28:00 PM (view original):
I still cannot believe that we are having this debate still.

Institutional racism, as defined by me and BL, exists.

CCCP is trying to move the goalposts around for some reason. Whatever. He has shown that he is unwilling to even consider the idea that institutional racism exists. As he would say, Captain Ignorant.

I have told you 10000x delivery boy, there is no intentional institutional racism. There are racist people not racist institutions. Ben Shapiro agrees with me. He is smarter than you and bad luck.

You moved the goal posts again. INTENTIONAL institutional racism. I mostly agree with you here. Institutional racism is primarily based upon stereotypes and negative feelings, not actual hatred.

Lol, Ben Shapiro agrees with you. Good for you. Get your own brain please. Ben Shapiro doesn't speak for you.

I have stated from the outset that racists do exist. I don't believe institutions are racist but they may unwittingly employ racists who in turn make racist decisions. I have never wavered from this. I have my own brain. He is a political expert so I listen to his views. When I sprain my ankle, I may know its sprained but I would still see a doctor to get an expert's opinion. If I have a leaky faucet I get an expert to fix it. So why can I not rely on a political expert to gauge his view on institutional racism? Jordan Peterson also agrees with my POV.

As I said tang, you are religious so in the end God will judge you and IMO it will be unfavorable. But what do I know? I don't even believe in God. LOL.

Kind of goes against the whole I'm Jewish thing, doesn't it? You may be Jewish in heritage, but you are not Jewish in religion. First and foremost, Judaism is a religion. Personally, as far as I'm concerned, you can call yourself whatever you want, as can tangplay.

Religion and Culture. That is Zionism. I am a Zionist. But I am educated and don't believe in a man with a white beard. Doesn't mean I don't support my people in their struggle.

so, anyone who believes in God is not educated?

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Turns out, despite individual antisemitism, there is no institutional discrimination against Jews.

Because Jews have overcome it? It means it doesn't exist?

If you and I are neighbors and we both have mice. I buy cat to scare them away and you do the same. Your cat is a wimp and the mice remain, mine scares them away. Doesn't mean mice don't exist, it means I dealt with them more effectively.

Jews deal with racism more effectively so it seems as though there is no racism against us. We do so by actually doing BETTER than our competitors. This happened in Europe too btw. That is the Jewish culture. This is why Israel surrounded by its enemies thrives as a tiny country in the Middle East. We never asked for special programs we just excelled.

Maybe if you stopped treating African Americans as victims they would excel more too. But first the single parent issue must be addressed.

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Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2018 12:28:00 PM (view original):
I still cannot believe that we are having this debate still.

Institutional racism, as defined by me and BL, exists.

CCCP is trying to move the goalposts around for some reason. Whatever. He has shown that he is unwilling to even consider the idea that institutional racism exists. As he would say, Captain Ignorant.

I have told you 10000x delivery boy, there is no intentional institutional racism. There are racist people not racist institutions. Ben Shapiro agrees with me. He is smarter than you and bad luck.

You moved the goal posts again. INTENTIONAL institutional racism. I mostly agree with you here. Institutional racism is primarily based upon stereotypes and negative feelings, not actual hatred.

Lol, Ben Shapiro agrees with you. Good for you. Get your own brain please. Ben Shapiro doesn't speak for you.

I have stated from the outset that racists do exist. I don't believe institutions are racist but they may unwittingly employ racists who in turn make racist decisions. I have never wavered from this. I have my own brain. He is a political expert so I listen to his views. When I sprain my ankle, I may know its sprained but I would still see a doctor to get an expert's opinion. If I have a leaky faucet I get an expert to fix it. So why can I not rely on a political expert to gauge his view on institutional racism? Jordan Peterson also agrees with my POV.

As I said tang, you are religious so in the end God will judge you and IMO it will be unfavorable. But what do I know? I don't even believe in God. LOL.

Kind of goes against the whole I'm Jewish thing, doesn't it? You may be Jewish in heritage, but you are not Jewish in religion. First and foremost, Judaism is a religion. Personally, as far as I'm concerned, you can call yourself whatever you want, as can tangplay.

Religion and Culture. That is Zionism. I am a Zionist. But I am educated and don't believe in a man with a white beard. Doesn't mean I don't support my people in their struggle.

so, say you are a Zionist, not a a Jew. Its more honest.

Tomato ---- Tomaaato

I wear the Star of David. I am Jew in people's eyes. I wear it as appreciation for my ancestors who gave their life in WWII fighting the Nazis. Not because I am religious.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Turns out, despite individual antisemitism, there is no institutional discrimination against Jews.

Because Jews have overcome it? It means it doesn't exist?

If you and I are neighbors and we both have mice. I buy cat to scare them away and you do the same. Your cat is a wimp and the mice remain, mine scares them away. Doesn't mean mice don't exist, it means I dealt with them more effectively.

Jews deal with racism more effectively so it seems as though there is no racism against us. We do so by actually doing BETTER than our competitors. This happened in Europe too btw. That is the Jewish culture. This is why Israel surrounded by its enemies thrives as a tiny country in the Middle East. We never asked for special programs we just excelled.

Maybe if you stopped treating African Americans as victims they would excel more too. But first the single parent issue must be addressed.

Because they aren't hindered. There isn't something about the education system or the criminal justice system or whatever that makes life for Jews harder than other people. We know this because Jews do just as well or better than everyone else in those systems. Blacks do worse.

Posted by wylie715 on 8/10/2018 1:28:00 PM (view original):
I am educated and choose to believe in science over religion. I cannot discount faith but I don't personally have it.
This view. Certainly not whatever crap BL is spouting

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Turns out, despite individual antisemitism, there is no institutional discrimination against Jews.

Because Jews have overcome it? It means it doesn't exist?

If you and I are neighbors and we both have mice. I buy cat to scare them away and you do the same. Your cat is a wimp and the mice remain, mine scares them away. Doesn't mean mice don't exist, it means I dealt with them more effectively.

Jews deal with racism more effectively so it seems as though there is no racism against us. We do so by actually doing BETTER than our competitors. This happened in Europe too btw. That is the Jewish culture. This is why Israel surrounded by its enemies thrives as a tiny country in the Middle East. We never asked for special programs we just excelled.

Maybe if you stopped treating African Americans as victims they would excel more too. But first the single parent issue must be addressed.

Because they aren't hindered. There isn't something about the education system or the criminal justice system or whatever that makes life for Jews harder than other people. We know this because Jews do just as well or better than everyone else in those systems. Blacks do worse.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 1:26:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Turns out, despite individual antisemitism, there is no institutional discrimination against Jews.

Because Jews have overcome it? It means it doesn't exist?

If you and I are neighbors and we both have mice. I buy cat to scare them away and you do the same. Your cat is a wimp and the mice remain, mine scares them away. Doesn't mean mice don't exist, it means I dealt with them more effectively.

Jews deal with racism more effectively so it seems as though there is no racism against us. We do so by actually doing BETTER than our competitors. This happened in Europe too btw. That is the Jewish culture. This is why Israel surrounded by its enemies thrives as a tiny country in the Middle East. We never asked for special programs we just excelled.

Maybe if you stopped treating African Americans as victims they would excel more too. But first the single parent issue must be addressed.

Because they aren't hindered. There isn't something about the education system or the criminal justice system or whatever that makes life for Jews harder than other people. We know this because Jews do just as well or better than everyone else in those systems. Blacks do worse.

so, anti-semitism is not a hindrance to Jews? I hope that is not what you are saying.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 1:11:00 PM (view original):
Turns out, despite individual antisemitism, there is no institutional discrimination against Jews.

Because Jews have overcome it? It means it doesn't exist?

If you and I are neighbors and we both have mice. I buy cat to scare them away and you do the same. Your cat is a wimp and the mice remain, mine scares them away. Doesn't mean mice don't exist, it means I dealt with them more effectively.

Jews deal with racism more effectively so it seems as though there is no racism against us. We do so by actually doing BETTER than our competitors. This happened in Europe too btw. That is the Jewish culture. This is why Israel surrounded by its enemies thrives as a tiny country in the Middle East. We never asked for special programs we just excelled.

Maybe if you stopped treating African Americans as victims they would excel more too. But first the single parent issue must be addressed.

Because they aren't hindered. There isn't something about the education system or the criminal justice system or whatever that makes life for Jews harder than other people. We know this because Jews do just as well or better than everyone else in those systems. Blacks do worse.

so, anti-semitism is not a hindrance to Jews? I hope that is not what you are saying.

I’m saying that despite the fact that antisemitism exists, it doesn’t impact the ability, as a whole, for Jews to excel in school or to excel at work or to end up in prison at a higher rate than anyone else.

While racism does impact the abilities of blacks as a whole to excel.