Thats fine. There are many who cannot see what the Dems really are. Hateful supporters of people like Linda Sarsour and the BDS movement. Ben is converting many to the other side and hopefully by 2020 we'll be at 40% Red.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2018 7:36:00 PM (view original):
Watching BL and CCCP debate is so frustrating. You two need a moderator, or something. BL is trying to make an argument and CCCP just keeps restating the same things over and over trying to change the subject. BL is stubborn too.

BL never answers questions. Or says "I dont know" or "Its complicated".

So now I do the same to him.

I'm not saying that he doesn't. But maybe it would help if ONE OF YOU wasn't as stubborn and just went along with the other's arguments it would be better. I don't know why you are so defensive. So what if you agree with BL? So what if BL agrees with you? Opinions changing is a good thing.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 7:29:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 6:55:00 PM (view original):
Ok great. In America, right?

I answered you now you answer me. That’s called a convo.

I don’t know what your question was, but anyway.

We’ve agreed now that:

- Systematic/institutional discrimination is a real thing that can happen.

- Jews do not currently deal with systematic discrimination in the US.

Correct?

(not sure why this took 20 pages, seems like you were just being stubborn)

I asked why 70% of African American kids only have one parent? Is that due to institutional racism?

WTF. Do you have amnesia? demention?

Oh I don’t have the answer for that.

Am I correct on those two points of agreement?

But you agree its not institutional racism. I would argue there is more anti semitism in the US than racism vs. the black community. It also more accepted because as you pointed out no one notices or cares given the wealth the Jews accumulated.

No, I don’t know that racism doesn’t contribute to that. I don’t have the answer.

Regarding the two points above, we agree?

cccp?

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2018 7:37:00 PM (view original):
CCCP, you still ignored his argument. Racism and institutional racism aren't the same thing. Antisemitism and institutional antisemitism aren't the same thing. You can have one, and not the other.

I agree. I don't think we racist institutions. I was wrong though we do have anti semitic institutions. Like Berkeley who support BDS. So Jews actually have it worse. They stupidly still vote Democrat. Not for long. My family represent several converts already that will never vote Blue again. I know many others.

OK, so what would it take to convince you that some institutions are racist? Let's work on the same terminology here?

You and I will NEVER agree. Not sure what you want me to say. I will vehemently disagree with every single argument you make. I just showed you that Jews still deal with systemic anti semitism on college campuses. Due to people like you dismissing us and embracing those who support the one state solution in Israel. You called Sarsour "harmless" as I recall.

So Jews have it way worse than any other minority, still we persevere. I am so proud.

Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2018 7:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 8/10/2018 7:37:00 PM (view original):
CCCP, you still ignored his argument. Racism and institutional racism aren't the same thing. Antisemitism and institutional antisemitism aren't the same thing. You can have one, and not the other.

I agree. I don't think we racist institutions. I was wrong though we do have anti semitic institutions. Like Berkeley who support BDS. So Jews actually have it worse. They stupidly still vote Democrat. Not for long. My family represent several converts already that will never vote Blue again. I know many others.

OK, so what would it take to convince you that some institutions are racist? Let's work on the same terminology here?

Proof that they have in their HR policy the mantra to not hire or accept minorities.

Below is an alphabetically organized list of the universities that considered divestment resolutions or referendums this year, including the results of these votes:'

1. Bowdoin College: A BDS referendum was voted down at Bowdoin College where 85% of the total student body reportedly voted. 71% were opposed to the referendum and 14% voted in favor of it.
2. DePaul University: A BDS referendum was passed at DePaul University during the 2013-14 academic year, but their request was denied by the DePaul University Fair Business Practices Committee in January 2015.
3. Earlham College: A BDS resolution was reportedly endorsed by the Student Senate at Earlham College on Tuesday, April 21, 2015.
4. Loyola University: A BDS resolution was passed by the student government at Loyola University on Tuesday, March 24, 2015. The final vote was 16-15-2.
5. Marquette University: A resolution titled “Recommendation #1 Socially Responsible Investment” was passed at Marquette University on April 28, 2015 with a vote of 25-3-0. The resolution did not mention the word ‘divestment’ or name specific corporations that are allegedly responsible for Palestinian human rights violations.
6. Northeastern University: A BDS resolution was voted down by the Student Senate at Northeastern University with a 25-9 vote.
7. Northwestern University: The Northwestern student government passed a BDS resolution on Wednesday, February 18, 2015. The vote was 24-22-3.
8. Oglethorpe University: The Student Government Association (SGA) at Oglethorpe University reportedly passed a BDS resolution submitted by Students for Justice in Palestine on Friday, May 1, 2015.
9. Princeton University: A BDS referendum at Princeton University was voted down with 965 (47.5%) for divestment and 1,067 (52.5%) against divestment.
10. San Diego State University (SDSU): A BDS referendum proposed by SJP failed at SDSU. The vote count was 1701-1500 and SJP did not gain the 2/3 majority that they needed in order to pass it.
11. Stanford University: The Undergraduate Senate of Stanford University voted 10-4-1 to pass a BDS resolution submitted by the student group Stanford Out of Occupied Palestine on Tuesday, February 17, 2015.
12. University of California-Davis (UC Davis): The UC Davis Student Senate passed a divestment resolution that was submitted by the Students for Justice in Palestine chapter on Thursday, January 29, 2015. The vote on the resolution was 8-2-2, but it was challenged and overturned by the student-led Court of Associated Students.
13. University of California-Los Angeles (UCLA): “A Resolution to Divest from Corporations Engaged in Violence against Palestinians” was passed by the UCLA student government. The resolution, which was reportedly sponsored by 15 student organizations and endorsed by another 17, was passed by an 8-2-2 margin on November 18, 2014.
14. University of California-Santa Barbara (UCSB): A vote on a BDS resolution took place on April 22, 2015 at UC Santa Barbara. The result of the vote was 12-12-1 and the Internal Vice President Angela Lau broke the tie by voting no against the resolution.
15. University of California Student Workers Union (UAW 2865): The University of California Student Workers Union (UAW 2865) endorsed a divestment resolution on Thursday, December 4, 2014 calling on the UC Board of Regents to divest from companies that are allegedly profiting from or aiding in the Israeli occupation. The resolution also called for an end of U.S. aid to Israel and for UAW International to divest from the same corporations. The vote was 1411-749.
16. University of Michigan: A BDS resolution failed to pass at the University of Michigan after the Central Student Government voted 15-25 against endorsing the resolution which was presented by SAFE on April 3, 2015.
17. University of New Mexico: A BDS resolution at the University of New Mexico failed to pass with a vote of 4-14-2 on Wednesday, April 22, 2015.
18. University of Texas-Austin: A BDS resolution was voted down at UT-Austin with a vote count of 11-23 on April 22, 2015.
19. University of Toledo: A BDS resolution was passed by the student government at University of Toledo with a 21-4 vote on Tuesday, March 3, 2015. The same resolution had previously been ruled unconstitutional on Tuesday, February 17.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):
You and I will NEVER agree. Not sure what you want me to say. I will vehemently disagree with every single argument you make. I just showed you that Jews still deal with systemic anti semitism on college campuses. Due to people like you dismissing us and embracing those who support the one state solution in Israel. You called Sarsour "harmless" as I recall.

So Jews have it way worse than any other minority, still we persevere. I am so proud.

Wait, so now you DO think Jews face systematic discrimination?

Do you think blacks do too?

Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 7:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):
You and I will NEVER agree. Not sure what you want me to say. I will vehemently disagree with every single argument you make. I just showed you that Jews still deal with systemic anti semitism on college campuses. Due to people like you dismissing us and embracing those who support the one state solution in Israel. You called Sarsour "harmless" as I recall.

So Jews have it way worse than any other minority, still we persevere. I am so proud.

Wait, so now you DO think Jews face systematic discrimination?

Do you think blacks do too?

I gave you proof regarding Jews. Do you deny the facts? Show some proof regarding other minorities. I showed DIRECT PROOF.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 7:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):
You and I will NEVER agree. Not sure what you want me to say. I will vehemently disagree with every single argument you make. I just showed you that Jews still deal with systemic anti semitism on college campuses. Due to people like you dismissing us and embracing those who support the one state solution in Israel. You called Sarsour "harmless" as I recall.

So Jews have it way worse than any other minority, still we persevere. I am so proud.

Wait, so now you DO think Jews face systematic discrimination?

Do you think blacks do too?

Would you PLEASE make up our minds for us?

We'll all be dead before you ever make a point.

But don't worry.

You have me blocked.

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 7:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):
You and I will NEVER agree. Not sure what you want me to say. I will vehemently disagree with every single argument you make. I just showed you that Jews still deal with systemic anti semitism on college campuses. Due to people like you dismissing us and embracing those who support the one state solution in Israel. You called Sarsour "harmless" as I recall.

So Jews have it way worse than any other minority, still we persevere. I am so proud.

Wait, so now you DO think Jews face systematic discrimination?

Do you think blacks do too?

I gave you proof regarding Jews. Do you deny the facts? Show some proof regarding other minorities. I showed DIRECT PROOF.

Dude you need to pump the brakes. I’m not arguing yes or no regarding Jews, I’m asking you what your view is.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/extremists-on-left-and-right-empowering-bds-on-u-s-college-campuses-1.5627116
https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/10/04/spme-bds-monitor-hate-arises-on-us-college-campuses/
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/campus-divestment-resolutions
https://ctl.jerusalemu.org/toolkit-to-combat-anti-semitism/

I can list dozens more.

I thought you made up our view a few pages back.

Then again.........I'm blocked.

AND YOU'LL NEVER CLICK ON ME AGAIN!

I’m not asking for links or full page copy pastes. Just a simple yes or no.

Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 7:52:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/10/2018 7:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 8/10/2018 7:43:00 PM (view original):
You and I will NEVER agree. Not sure what you want me to say. I will vehemently disagree with every single argument you make. I just showed you that Jews still deal with systemic anti semitism on college campuses. Due to people like you dismissing us and embracing those who support the one state solution in Israel. You called Sarsour "harmless" as I recall.

So Jews have it way worse than any other minority, still we persevere. I am so proud.

Wait, so now you DO think Jews face systematic discrimination?

Do you think blacks do too?

I gave you proof regarding Jews. Do you deny the facts? Show some proof regarding other minorities. I showed DIRECT PROOF.

Dude you need to pump the brakes. I’m not arguing yes or no regarding Jews, I’m asking you what your view is.

My view is. College campuses are anti semitic. Not racist (anti black)

Employers can be anti semitic or at least anti Trump supporter if both thats a double win. Institutions are not anti black.